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Netherlands vs Türkiye (Berlin, 21:00) (sopuli.xyz)

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[–] iagomago@feddit.it 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

the fact that "80% of Turkish people use it for pure Turkish symbol", when it is clearly associated with a paramilitary fascist group, should really make you think about why Turkey isn't looked upon nicely by the EU in general. And I'm frankly surprised that even as a "non right wing Turkish", you still think it's fine to use the symbols that are now widely associated with that political group. I can't think of a world where I, an Italian, would use the Roman salute because it's a "patriotic" salute and because "everyone does it here" (even if a large majority of Italians don't, thank god).

[+] syd@lemy.lol -8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

We didn’t have Hitler in our history though. You can’t compare roman salute with wolf gesture. It’s like “we should ban knives because some minorities can kill people with it”.

We can’t beg Europe to like us either. Europeans are uncomfortable with the fact that we just exist. Should we also disappear? Just to make them pleasant?

As I know, Italia also symbolizes wolfs. What if one day Germany says “wolf is fascist Turkish symbol, you will not use it”, what would you think?

I’m pretty sure you would say “yes daddy Germany uWu I won’t 🙏🙏”

[–] iagomago@feddit.it 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We didn’t have Hitler in our history though. You can’t compare roman salute with wolf gesture

Turks committed genocide towards Armenians (and are still perpetrating one against Kurds).

Europeans are uncomfortable with the fact that we just exist.

It's not about existence, it's about extremism and authocracy making its way into Europe. I don't think any European looks at Hungary with respect, either.

Italy also symbolizes wolfs.

Wolves are not correlated, at least in Italy, to paramilitary fascist organisation responsible for war crimes. And, of course, there's always a degree of interpretation: a wolf is a wolf, a wolf salute is a reminder of the violent recent history of Turkey and its accommodation into the reality of "the normal".

I believe Turkey is a wonderful country, but there's definitely better ways to show patriotism than to resort to extremist political affiliation for doing it. Like, I don't know, a Turkish flag?