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[–] ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 47 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Kings never went away, they just changed to a different form and name to remain accepted in society, as the ones with the crowns ended up in the gallows.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This isn't good historical analysis. The feudal class society, with its aristocracy, church and peasants, was highly rigid in terms of class mobility. Peasants stayed peasants and aristocrats stayed aristocrats. The current dominant class, the capitalist owners, exert their power not by god-given rights over the population, but by legal control of the means of production. The current exploited class, the workers, aren't tied to a lord anymore and pay tributes in kind on exchange for land and protection, but instead are "free" to work where they want for a payment in cash, and unable for the most part to have ownership of the means of production they themselves work.

Kings have disappeared, classes in society haven't

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Up until the last part I thought your point was going to be "but now we have class mobility". Yeah, we don't 😫 freedom is an illusion for the most part, but a convenient one

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Accepting the existence of class mobility doesn't imply freedom. Freedom to exploit your fellow workers and become a class traitor isn't freedom. It's just a fact that social mobility has increased significantly

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nah, I meant that workers really don't have freedom, but we are led to believe that we do have it, because it's convenient for the rich

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

I'm fully aware, I never said workers are free under capitalism

[–] Zink@programming.dev 11 points 4 months ago

Already has more than a hundred people would ever need, yet takes every opportunity to oppress the have-nots in order to make their ego number go up?

I’d make a punch line about billionaires, but it’s way, way more than just them.