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[โ€“] JackiesFridge@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't have to read a religious text to know it's not true, and though you may have been lucky enough to grow up untainted by society, these books have not. The issue with going to sources so entrenched in studying religious text is that they are already tainted by the need to keep the text alive. Should they cast any doubt at all their livelihood will vanish.

No religion has ever offered verifiable proof of any supernatural claim. Once they do I will pay attention.

[โ€“] Flyswat@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't have to read a religious text to know it's not true

How can you give an opinion or hold a position on something you refuse to assess?

The issue with going to sources so entrenched in studying religious text is that they are already tainted by the need to keep the text alive

Here you are making assumptions about the sources maybe because of Christianity and Judaism. The sources like I said are the contemporary ones and there is no room for reinterpretation in the exegesis to twist it in a way or the other due to conflicts that arised later on.

No religion has ever offered verifiable proof of any supernatural claim

Same can be applied to atheism which is positing that God does not exist. I assume you hold that position. If so you are not consistent in your approach.

Should one not objectively scrutinize the claims of both sides before holding a position?

[โ€“] JackiesFridge@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Atheism is the rejection of an assertion that there is a god or gods. If any theists were able to prove the existence of a god, an atheist would (hopefully) change their mind. Rejecting all gods until their existence can be proven is hardly inconsistent.

I reject as true books that say the X-Men exist. Those are first hand sources, but that does not mean the stories they contain are true, even though they are more morally consistent than most popular religious texts. I have not read the X-Men but that is no reason to assume they are true.

Extraordinary assertions such as a devine being existing require extraordinary proof. No religions have managed to provide more than heresay, anecdotal evidence, and assumption to support their claoms. Religious reasoning is as best motivated, and hardly consistent itself.

My opinion is based on how world religions are used by their followers and those in power. All I see is religion used as a tools to control, intimidate, otherise, and war with any group considered "not us" - no matter the religion. I have read summaries of the Bible, Quaran, and Book of Mormon. There is nothing of note in any of them. Any possible good advice or dictate has long since been rephrased, refined, and adopted by society. The beauty of a thing is in its utility, and the use I see religion put to buy those in power is ugly. I want nothing to do with poisonous dogma, and instead choose to try making life better for those around me by direct action. Not by wishing for a god to do so, or wasting this precious life gambling that their might be something better after it ends.