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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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INFO

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Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] BassaForte@lemmy.world 126 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Don't forget the one cop that wanted to help but was held back and prevented from entering (I think his wife was a teacher or something)

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 69 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh, and that other cop who was going to try to open the unlocked classroom door but was then told to go patrol the rest of the school

[–] Delta_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 5 months ago

The only reason they even started evacuating was because one of them opened a classroom and saw it was full

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 34 points 5 months ago (4 children)
[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

A: Marvel saw fit to publish a comic book in which Frank Castle tells cops to stop using his logo. B: now that the guy with a Punisher lock screen has experienced loss, he may step up his war-on-crime game.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

You give cops, let alone the general public too much credit in the Media Literacy department.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You couldn't have picked a worse, cop apologist article to quote from.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I didn't bother reading it. It's an old story that most of us have heard and just needed a reminder of.

edit: also, i feel so confident in the truth of the story that a Pro Cop bias story will still make the cops look shitty because the hard facts are

  1. This guy choose to follow orders over "duty."

  2. This guy choose to follow orders over saving innocent lives.

  3. This guy choose to follow orders over saving his wife's life.

[–] BassaForte@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Ah yeah, that guy.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He should've disobeyed orders and gone in and saved them.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Before anyone says that it's easy to say they would have done while behind a keyboard, cops were preventing bystanders from going in to recuse the kids.