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Fuck Blinken and fuck the NYT
Fuck anyone that gives speeches at AIPAC and expects us to believe they're not bought off already
https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-at-the-2023-american-israel-public-affairs-committee-policy-summit/
Motherfuckers don't even try to deny that they've been bought off.
If you're mad conservatives buy off SC justices with trips and bribes, then you should be pissed off when other high level government officials are bought off.
And AIPAC buys a shit ton of government officials, regardless of party or anything else.
They just require complete dedication to Israel over everything else
Why is it hard to believe that the people who started this war don't actually want it to end
What?
I agree with that (except calling this genocide a war).
Israel started it decades ago, and openly keep saying they won't let it end until their genocide is finished.
They don't want it to end yet, because there's still Palestinians alive in Gaza.
Israel started it? Who was it that invaded the day after the British protectorate ended? Oh right, not Israel. Instead they got invaded by all of the neighbouring arab countries who didn't like the UN approved borders.
That's a weird place to start the clock...
Like, you understand that wasn't that long after that land was all Palestine and the people who had lived there for generations had just been forced out with violence?
That's like if you robbed someone but instead of leaving you just stayed in their house and made them live in the backyard for months while threatening them at gunpoint...
Then one day you sold the gun.
Would you be surprised the family took the opportunity to get their house back?
What do you expect that family to do if your brother was the Sheriff and the cops took your side?
What other starting point makes sense?
Jewish people had been there just as long as the Muslim population, they both have 1000+ year histories in that region.
The Ottoman empire (which controlled the region and a lot more) collapsed after WW1 due to a myriad of reasons, including losing the war. It was split up among some of the allied countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
Because that's what happens when you lose a war.
If we're talking about returning land that changed hands during/after WW1, there's going to be about a thousand more border changes than just for Israel. Massive swaths of Europe changed hands over that period.
Specifically, if you want Israel to hand land back, does that mean that Finland needs to be handed back to the Russians? They owned the country (and a bunch of other countries) prior to the end of WW1.
There hasn't been a sovereign and native state on that land since the Roman conquest of Judea lmfao
Nope, but there has been a native population, blood thirsty colonizer.
The land wasn't empty. You don't get to pretend it was.
So your position is that it's more legitimate for someone to live there because their ancestors moved there under the Ottomans rather than people whose ancestors lived there before the Romans and moved back under the British?
I don't give a fuck about any of that. What I care about is that the Jewish militias were happy to accept sharing the land with a Palestinian state, while the Palestinians decided that any possible Israeli state was unacceptable and declared war.
The entire conflict stems from their inability to accept peaceful coexistence.
Tell all that to the Irgun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun and Lehi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group).
Jesus, this is like the output from chatgpt with the input being "How can I communicate that I don't have knowledge about the history of the Levant without saying I know nothing about the history of the region"
Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify your thirst for blood I guess
Says the individual trying to circumspectly justify genocide.
Any government intentionally withholding food, medicine, and potable water to a population it considers undesirable is a government intentionally committing genocide.
Says the individual trying to pretend that this is a genocide and blaming the defender for the war lol
TIL allowing thousands of calories of food aid in per person per day is "withholding food"
Words don't mean anything any more. Up is down, black is white, and feeding civilians is genocide
Controlling the borders and allowing in thousands of calories when hundreds of thousands or millions of calories are needed for the population is in fact genocide.
It's not hard to understand unless you're intentionally trying to justify genocide.
Most genocidaires in history don't stop food completely, but let in a minimal amount of food to encourage infighting.
One person does not mean millions of calories per day, they need thousands. I believe the total food aid allowed into Gaza is around 3000 calories per person per day.
GeNoCiDe
Only if you believe the government caught lying multiple times in this war unconditionally.
Non-biased sources say that it is closer to 245 calories per day.
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/people-northern-gaza-forced-survive-245-calories-day-less-can-beans-oxfam
Also, and this isn't about the conflict, but people arguing in good faith don't confuse per capita measurements with gross measurements and call the people making that point in one stupid for using those figures consistently. That just makes you an asshole.
ClEvEDaWnY
The math doesn't add up. If Gazans are receiving 245 calories a day and about half the food trucks they need, then either the former or the latter is incorrect. LMAO
But really, Gaza should have probably thought about how to feed their own populace before starting a war of aggression. It's not exactly Israel's job to feed a hostile populace which declared war on them. I'm simply glad that they're allowing food trucks in. It's better than most would have done and empowers their enemies.
It literally is for countries occupying other countries during a war.
That is a job of an occupying force that if it doesn't do is LITERALLY A WAR CRIME for exactly this reason.
The US, as bad as it was for what it did in the countries it invaded STILL didn't do this. Israel is looking for special treatment by not having to live up to this standard that other countries in combat have lived up to.
I guess I really shouldn't expect competence from a conscript army.
Northern Gaza, jackass. When you destroy distribution functions of a society, shit becomes non uniformly distributed.
Keep arguing with just utterly easy to show wrong responses based off of bad faith readings of what I'm saying, it makes my responses that much easier to write in an understandable format.
EDIT: Correction, I'm not wasting more time on a propaganda brained nationalist.
Once again, we have "propaganda is when someone disagrees with me"
Nope.
Things that you've done that make me think you are propaganda:
Argued in bad faith ( intentionally conflating per-capita measurements with gross measurements to imply the other person is stupid, never acknowledges points where the other person has to correct you and instead just ignores the areas that you've been proven wrong )
Believing only one source of information that is explicitly biased and comes from one of the combatants.
Ignores sources of information from independent sources. This ties into point one, as you also don't acknowledge any statements shown to be incorrect.
You're free to disagree with anyone you want to. When you do the above you are either paid, or a dumbshit teenager that still enjoys trolling for the sake of trolling. I don't really care which one it is, as you're doing on the corpses of innocent children.
Oh, that's right, from your other comments it is clear that you don't believe there are any innocents in the region. Guess you forgot that collective punishment itself is also a war crime.
CoLlEcTiVe PuNiShMeNt
Don't start wars. Wars are bad. Fuck Hamas and fuck anyone who supported them. I wish their kids had parents who gave a shit about them.
Putting things in stupid caps doesn't change international law. It also doesn't change what literally every other nation in the world is expected to do, and does, in times of war.
You're literally expecting different treatment for Israel, allowing them to commit war crimes, because they're ... special?
You do realize that having a different response to Israel doing something versus other countries is literally one of the definitions of antisemitism from the IHRA, right?
I wish the Israelis weren't intent on intentionally causing as much collateral damage as possible to intentionally thin the population to a minimum(An intention actually stated by Bibi.)
Yes, the response to Israel doing something is indeed always more severe than when any other country does it.
As to war crimes, I've never seen any evidence of intentional targeting of civilians as a matter of policy. I've seen evidence of individual soldiers doing that, and that's happened in every war. It's why war is bad, and you shouldn't start wars.
There is not a single country on this planet which would tolerate an organization like Hamas remaining in power after an event like Oct 7.
This is you doing the bad faith thing again. You knew what I meant. I can back it up with facts. But instead you don't engage with something that you can't back up, and just ignore the point I'm making.
Too bad the IDF is really just an air force that hasn't yet learned the lesson that an air force can't hold territory, and the only strategy they have is bombing civilians when the militants absolutely own most of the engagements they get into with the conscript army.
In other words, Israel has to learn to live with Hamas, because they can't handle them any way other then through genocide.
Also, you don't make peace with your friends. You make peace with your enemies. That is why it is called making peace, and why it is hard.
They’re in too deep. It’s like the magas with trump. Scary stuff