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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The only proper response when a liberal tries to hide behind the NAP no one can freely or willingly enter into a contract under duress of starvation and homelessness.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

No liberal has ever mentioned the NAP.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

I didn't even know what NAP was until a few weeks ago. Marx and Smith never used the initialism.

You have to be into Libertarianism or have debated Libertarians to know what NAP stands for.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

"American Libertarians" are acolytes of Economic liberalism. They fetishize Adam Smith. Economic liberalism is generally referred to as liberalism. They are definitionally liberals. Not libertarians.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You mean libertarian. LIberals aren't stupid enough to believe in a silly non aggression pact.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

They call themselves libertarian. But they aren't. They don't believe in public ownership of natural resources. A core precept of Libertarianism. Or many of the other things actual libertarians do. Also the NAP isn't a libertarian thing itself. The man who coined and defined the term PARTICIPATED IN THE FRENCH REVOLUTION. The NAP is a thought short circuiting exercise designed by Rothbard 100 years after the establishment of Libertarianism. To discourage and alienate actual libertarians from the group.

Those that often call themselves libertarian babble about the invisible hand of the market. As well as fetishizing Adam Smith and his ideology. Economic liberalism. Because they are liberals. In the actual political definition of the term. Not the modern colloquial misuse of the term.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Then there's also the little issue of them denying that such a thing as a social contract exists, and I never signed no NAP so I cannot possibly be bound to it.