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For the abolition of work. Yes really, abolish work! Not "reform work" but the destruction of work as a separate field of human activity.
To save the world, we're going to have to stop working! — David Graeber
A strange delusion possesses the working classes of the nations where capitalist civilization holds its sway. ...the love of work... Instead of opposing this mental aberration, the priests, the economists, and the moralists have cast a sacred halo over work. — Paul Lafargue
In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic. — Karl Marx
In the glorification of 'work', in the unwearied talk of the 'blessing of work', I see the same covert idea as in the praise of useful impersonal actions: that of fear of everything individual. — Friedrich Nietzsche
If hard work were such a wonderful thing, surely the rich would have kept it all to themselves. — Lane Kirkland
The bottom line is simple: all of us deserve to make the most of our potential as we see fit, to be the masters of our own destinies. Being forced to sell these things away to survive is tragic and humiliating. We don’t have to live like this. ― CrimethInc
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People do stop working when it's all provided. Anyone with simple pattern recognition has seen that happen, not everyone of course, but a lot give up. Like this pattern I noticed of people saying stuff like this pretending to be altruistic and empathetic but really are just salty they don't have the money to lie around all day.
I won't deny that a portion of the population would definitely do this, but I don't think it's a majority. There's a nontrivial number of people who would stop working because they don't need to anymore, eg, working mom's with supportive spouses who work a menial job just to help cover the bills. They would definitely leave their work and spend time with kids and being a homemaker. Some would quit and do nothing because they're lazy. Sure.
I don't think that's the majority of the workforce. Many people, such as myself, do it mainly because they want to be productive and/or help people. Those like me, who are also happy with their employer (I presently am quite pleased with my boss/management), would not really do anything differently.
I think the root of what you're seeing is that if the basic needs were covered, people would quit bad jobs. Bluntly, there are a lot of bad jobs out there. I would venture a guess to say it's the majority. If someone hates their workplace but they need to make rent, they're more likely to stay with a bad job so they can have a place to live; these people, if their needs were met, would walk out in droves. That would be enough to move the needle over to a majority.
My argument from your statement can be rephrased as: if we met everyone's needs, they would have no reason to stay working at jobs they hate.
Which is very much true.
That's not what UBI tests have shown us in practice.
Anecdotally, a close friend of mine made enough to retire several years ago and now he just works a job he finds fulfilling instead of the highest paying one. IMHO humans instinctively want to contribute to the tribe.
Bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income#Pilot_programs_and_experiments
Oh look. A list of studies. No results, except the Manitoba one that demonstrated my point.