News
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
view the rest of the comments
You massive labor and enviromental degulation? Thatll go over real well
That's an ignorant view of China's success. Anyway, the extraordinary regulations that were used are far more interesting than any lacking or deregulation:
I don't think it has to be that way to get the results that we want.
Get rid of zoning. Fire local politicians for bad employment numbers. Loss of local control over infrastructure if they can't keep up with community needs. Make it clear to every small government that they are getting a factory in their town and if they mess with the ability to produce and employbpeople a higher level of government will step in and take over.
You need to have fair and consistent rules. Zoning is a why to ensure things like hog farms that stink several miles away are not located near people - but if you build a hog farm that doesn't stink you should be able to build it anywhere.
Oh you going to play that card? Sure. Tell me, do you think that every single person in your society follows the same rules or are some of them more equal than others?
Jesus. Ok first off this isn't a problem anymore. We have had odor scrubbers for decades. I know, I have designed and installed them. For situations where that is not appropriate we can often simply crank up the HVAC and do a burn off. For example coffee processing plants will often do that. Still not enough? Ok we can wrap the whole dang thing in a tarp and emit it slowly. Still not working? Cool, let's put some trees around it and sink it down a meter or two. Odor is not an issue anymore if you put in effort. It hasn't been for decades.
I have been to wastewater treatment plants in August and could only smell something when my head was directly over the wetwell. You of course know what a wetwell is since you are talking about zoning I am sure. Nope, no need to Google that ;)
Zoning laws are not about odor. They are about Karen's getting to keep minorities and jobs out of certain areas.
The point is society agrees the rules are fair and consistent. Philosophy can have a whole other discussion of what "fair" and "consistent" means - but they generally don't have answers and I don't care. Even if they are biased against you, and you find them unfair, if you at least can read them you know/can find loopholes.
Odor scrubbers is why zoning shouldn't specify no farms, it should specify odor levels. There will be more technological progress.
Zoning laws are in part about "Karen's", but there are some useful things in them, and they were also adopted back in the day because of some things modern humans also agree is wrong. this is why I used hog farms as an example - people need to figure out what the real important part is. I've been in hog barns, I wouldn't want to live near one without odor control, and zoning is how you accomplish that. That zoning as we currently write it solves it in the wrong way doesn't mean we throw up the idea of preventing the problem.
Tell me what part of zoning makes sense.
The part that keeps dangerous industry away from places where people live.
I recognize two zones, places where accidents, odor, or other such issues may reach neighboring property and everything else. The first shouldn't allow houses, offices ,or regular stores . Many farmers will be shocked to find I don't think they should live on their farm.
What part is that? Keep in mind that this is my profession. Show me the "part of zoning" that does this.
It is a side effect of separate industrial zones from residential zones. There are borders where they touch and some grandfathered mixes ,but overall it is how things work out.
Edit, i'm sure you can point out many ways where it isn't very effective at separating things that for reasons of danger should be. However it does still function that way overall even if not perfect.