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Manjaro or Pop!_OS for (Nvidia) gaming on Steam? (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by lawrence@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/16149785

Cross-posting here for more opinions.

Gentlemen, just for context, I usually use Linux. I have been a user of Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora for a few years.

Recently, I acquired a decent graphics card (GeForce RTX 4070) and decided to uninstall my Windows and install Linux.

I saw that Pop!_OS already has an image with everything pre-configured for Nvidia. Is this pre-configuration worth it, are the games more stable on this distribution, or is it the same as manually installing Nvidia's proprietary drivers on Manjaro?

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[–] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can you point out exactly what is misrepresented and lies?

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 0 points 5 months ago

Manjaro repos not being in sync with Arch repos is false and misleading. Arch is the upstream, they're linked together. Trying to shift the issue into "btw" is stupid. Nobody claims that downstream distros are the same as the upstream, if they were what would be the point. The whole Linux landscape is built around derivate distros. This is entirely in the author's mind.
Delaying packages is not stable – that's not all they do.
AUR "compatibility" is cited as a problem. For starters it's a complete red herring – there's no such thing as "AUR compatibility" and you will be well advised to use AUR very carefully including on Arch proper. But also the author misrepresents how an AUR package can fail on Manjaro. In theory it's possible that a new feature would be introduced in an upstream package and immediately picked up by a new version of an AUR package, while the new core package is not on the target system yet. But then the author goes on to conclude "the package will break". Which package? The ones that are already installed won't break. The new AUR package may not be able to install but that won't break the existing version. It's not even certain the new build will fail; it depends on many factors, including how its dependencies are configured and whether it can be built without the new feature. Also this doesn't necessarily happen on Manjaro alone, it can happen on Arch or any derivate at any time; as long as you don't update your machine once a minute there will always be a window where AUR doesn't play well with the core packages that are on the machine at that time. Last but not least, AUR packages are updated fairly slowly and the chances of this scenario occuring with any significant frequency are astronomical; it has never happened to me personally or have ever heard it happening to anybody; but the author makes it seem as if it's a common issue.
Security issues. Oh no, a distro has a security issue that has been fixed. Bleh.
Problems with the Manjaro updater: false.
SSL certificates for their website expiring. Nobody cares. The user base was not impacted in any way. As a daily user I only found out about it much later, from this kind of discussions. I don't know what their webmaster was smoking and why they delayed setting up an automatic renewal for so long but it's irrelevant because it has no relation to the distro or the distro maintainers.
I've explained the AUR "DDoS" in another comment. Briefly, it wasn't a "DDoS" (obviously) as much as the complete lack of any serious infrastructure behind AUR, which couldn't cope with its rise in popularity. Manjaro makes it easy to activate and use the AUR. When the problem became apparent it was Manjaro who went out and got a CDN deal and set everything up so that the AUR won't be in that situation anymore.
There was another instance that looked like someone maliciously and explicitly hitting the AUR with 10k requests/sec while posing as "pamac". That one was probably an actual DDoS.