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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Which would make Nikki Haley writing "finish them" on an Israeli bomb when Israel is already bombing vast numbers of civilians in Gaza about the most obvious, public and and direct call to completed genocide you could make, I think.

Do you think she did it to make it more likely she'd be picked as Trump's running mate/Secretary of State, or do you think she's just pitching early to be the post-Trump leader, or is she just a run of the mill genocidal maniac?

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Who cares? Biden sent the bombs and Netanyahu is using them. She has no power here - they do.

She's evil as a general matter. But Biden and Netanyahu are worse regarding the current genocide

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You keep changing the subject away from Nikki Haley's call to genocide. But I'll bite again. The key question for American voters who care about Gaza is whether Trump or Biden are going to be worse for the Palestinians, because the election is on a knife edge according to the polls. Which do you think would be worse?

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Biden and Netanyahu are currently perpetrating genocide. Haley is not.

What did Never Again mean after the Holocaust? Did it mean nothing?

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're avoiding the question: The key question for American voters who care about Gaza is whether Trump or Biden are going to be worse for the Palestinians, because the election is on a knife edge according to the polls. Which do you think would be worse?

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Biden is currently committing genocide. Which is the worst crime there is.

Trump would also commit genocide.

Biden needs to change his policy on this drastically. Why won't he? If he doesn't, he loses.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Personally, I think it's the Israelis who are committing the genocide with America's support from pretty much all of the Republicans and most of the Democrats, but you didn't answer the question: Up to now, Trump has a slight lead in the polls. Who would be worse for the people of Gaza, Biden or Trump?

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's like asking if Auschwitz or Dachau is worse

Both need to be liberated

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You don't admit any moral difference between trying to slow the killing down and trying to speed it up, and the reason is that you're only pretending to care about Gaza what you really care about is discouraging left leaning voters from voting so that your guy Trump can win.

You'll deny it, I'm reasonably sure, but that's the effect of your outright condemnation of Biden and your extreme head in the sand refusal to admit that the Republicans in general, and Trump in particular, are far more committed to the Israeli military and its aims, always have been and likely will be for decades to come.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Biden is not trying to slow the genocide down. He is funding it and arming it.

He is better than Trump on every other issue. There is no difference here on the issue of genocide

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Factually incorrect:

Biden: Don't bomb Rafah.
Trump: ....

Biden: Cancels some of the armament shipments
Republicans: object loudly to Biden cancelling armament shipments

Biden: We should have a permanent ceasefire
Trump: PALM BEACH, Fla. — Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas, his most definitive position on the conflict since the terror group killed 1,200 Israelis and took more than 200 hostages on Oct. 7.

The Republicans would accelerate it all. The Republicans share Israel's aim to "finish them".

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Israel bombed Rafah and Biden did nothing.

Biden has consistently given Israel all of the military aid it asks for. The "pause" lasted only a few days. And then Israel bombed Rafah

There will not be a permanent ceasefire. This is purely optics to make it look like Biden is doing something. And will be used to blame Hamas and justify additional murder when the negotiations inevitably collapse. It is only for optics

The Republicans are identical to the Dems in terms of policy on the Gazan Genocide. The Dems just use softer language when they exterminate Gazans than the Republicans would.

I don't care what language is used. I don't care about aesthetics. I care about stopping the United States and Israel's extermination of the Gazans. Biden needs to do that, and to enact systemic regime change in Israel to prevent this from ever happening again

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, I'm not going to get you to admit that Trump and the Republicans plan on being far, far worse for Palestine, and I think that if you really did care about Gaza you'd do whatever you could to keep Trump out of the White House, but you really, really, really don't want to hear it.

I warned you, though. I warned you as best as I could.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee -2 points 5 months ago

Do you think you're good at being persuasive?