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[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Narcissistic" is an ancient Greek slur for asexuals. Hellenic Greece was a hypersexual society, and they didn't understand asexuality. They thought the only reason to not have sex was thinking you're better than others. So they created the slur narcissistic to insult people who wouldn't date or fuck anyone, based on the asexual character Narcissus.

[–] theredknight@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

While what you say might have grains of truth in it, it's likely that the story was originally a warning about eating a poisonous plant that resembles an onion more than an attack on asexuals. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_(plant)

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And they chose to warn people about a dangerous flower by making the dangerous character in the story an eeeeevil asexual who was so arrogant he wouldn't fuck anyone and was killed by the gods for not going on dates.

[–] theredknight@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The story doesn't define him as asexual. It does say he scorned and mocked people who then cursed him:

‘So may he himself love, and so may he fail to command what he loves!’

https://ovid.lib.virginia.edu/trans/Metamorph3.htm#476975711

Also according to this article at Cornell, Ovid was the sole poet of the story and there aren't any earlier versions, so it is likely both of our interpretations are askew.

https://www.cornellcollege.edu/classical_studies/CLA216-2-A/narcissus-echo/

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The story doesn't define him as asexual.

That's because ancient Greeks didn't know what an asexual was! If an ancient Greek tells you about a magic rock that attracts metal objects, that's a magnet. If an ancient Greek tells you that he drank water from the well right next to the toilet and now his poop is bloody, that's dysentery. If an ancient Greek tells you he doesn't love anyone, that's an aromantic or an asexual. We have more advanced science these days, and more advanced words for scientific phenomena.

So may he himself love

This prayer doesn't make any sense if Narcissus already had the ability to love. The mortal who said this prayer, and the god who answered it, both observed that Narcissus has never loved anyone. Cause he's aro.

And he was rude to people because they didn't respect his consent. One of the suitors he rejected literally prayed to the gods to kill him. The boy was surrounded by violent incels, of course he was abrasive.

[–] theredknight@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Ovid was a Roman not a Greek.