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Are we going to see arch based immutable distros in the near future? (self.linux)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by Sunny to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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Hi there folks, I'm still learning about Linux and have yet to dip my toes properly in any arch based distro. Have for the moment fallen in love with the immutable distros based on Universal Blue project. However I do want to learn about what arch has to offer to and plan on installing default arch when I have time. But have been wondering why I haven't heard of any immutable distros from arch based distros yet.

So, am left wondering if there are talks within that Arch community of building immutable distros?

While writing this post I found a project called Arkane Linux, which seem to be very interesting. Does anyone have nay experience with it? Is there a specific reason why immutable wouldn't be a good idea when based on Arch?

Project: https://arkanelinux.org/

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[–] ulkesh@beehaw.org 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, I'd rather it didn't, or at least maintain the standard Arch as it is today. I get the appeal of immutable distros/installs, but they are just not for me. They feel like a lot more work, for not much benefit.

Also, given that Fedora atomic distros are the ones people seem to compare against, I don't like that flatpak is effectively required. I like flatpak and what it offers, I don't like that all apps I install must be flatpak, or that I have to go around that default in some way (when I tried one of the atomic spins, I kept running into apps that just didn't distribute as flatpak and it made things more difficult). I suppose this old dog doesn't want to deal with some new trick just to use his system like he always has with a simple pacman -S or apt install.

[–] biribiri11@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You don’t have to install everything as a flatpak if you don’t want to. You can totally install most things in a rootless distrobox container, then use distrobox export (if you’re using distrobox instead of toolbx) to get a nice desktop entry. It’s how I run VSCode and Quartus Prime, for example.

[–] ulkesh@beehaw.org 3 points 5 months ago

Or I could run pacman -S code on a system that doesn’t require hoops to jump through.

I think I just don’t see the reason or benefit of going the immutable distro route. At least not yet, for me. I’ll never say never, of course. Right now it feels like extra steps to achieve the same thing.

[–] Sunny 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Its honestly not that bad installing apps on these distros. Yeah the main one is flatpak, secondly appimages as easy as ever, and any other app can be installed via distrobox and exported if needed. If not that, then apps can also be layered onto the system if needed.

Ultimately it boils down to user preferences, but considering the growth and popularity of Immutable versions of distros, I would be surprised to not see a few more attempts from the Arch side of Linux.

[–] ulkesh@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago

I’m not trying to be a Luddite here, I love technology when it solves a real problem. I guess I just don’t have a problem that an immutable distro would solve.