I guess countries should stay out Israel and Palestine too and just let Israel do it's genocide after all they just want to keep their country out of it. Also anyone defending Palestine should instead go to fight there personally, after all the war should end, no matter the outcome, right?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Given that US material and political support is the only reason Israel is able to carry out a genocide, US staying the fuck out would in fact improve the situation immeasurably.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

That sounds like too much posting on Lemmy and not enough fighting in Palestine.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I love how bad at trolling you are, since nowhere am I advocating for more fighting in Palestine. Try harder little buddy.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ah, so you would never defend Palestine rhetorically and believe all countries should just stay out and let Israel finish their genocide just to end the war as quick as possible, gotcha.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

I see reading comprehension isn't your forte, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

He's actually advocating for a ceasefire in Palestine not an extended war. Thus he has no reason to start fighting. Unlike Ukraine fanatics that only want to send Ukrainian men into the meatgrinder but not themselves

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Oh, my preferred outcome for Ukraine is for Russia to pull out their troops, I'm very much for the fighting to stop in that manner. But that outcome is as likely as Israel just stopping oppressing Palestinians out of the blue.

Israel isn't going to stop their war on their own accord, just like Russia. And just like Russia even if there is a temporary cesefire they will keep the territory taken and try again in some time, that has been the history of both Israel and Russia.

So the best outcome would be to give Ukraine the weapons they want to defend themselves because without those the war won't end, Russia will just take Ukraine and they will get more mass graves of civilians and freedom fighters. I'm just sad Palestine doesn't have a proper army that could be armed to defend Palestinians.

The idea that advocating for a nation to be able to defend itself against an aggressor means you need to be on the front line is truly pants on head retarded though.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

Advocating for defense is fine. The question is whether the goal is defense of Ukraine or just the exhaustion of Russian resources.

Like the Russians, Ukrainian men are forced to fight. Ukrainians are not fighting of free will to defend their country like the Palestinians do.

The irony is that you support an army of forced conscripts being armed but not a guerilla force voluntarily risking their lives.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Advocating for defense is fine. The question is whether the goal is defense of Ukraine or just the exhaustion of Russian resources.

Like the Russians, Ukrainian men are forced to fight. Ukrainians are not fighting of free will to defend their country like the Palestinians do.

The irony is that you support an army of forced conscripts being armed but not a guerilla force voluntarily risking their lives.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Advocating for defense is fine. The question is whether the goal is defense of Ukraine or just the exhaustion of Russian resources.

Like the Russians, Ukrainian men are forced to fight. Ukrainians are not fighting of free will to defend their country like the Palestinians do.

The irony is that you support an army of forced conscripts being armed but not a guerilla force voluntarily risking their lives.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In Ukraine support to continue fighting has polled really high, over 70% support is what I saw at the start of this year so I'm not sure where you are getting that Ukraine is forced to fight. Like I'm sure some people have gotten conscripted that don't want to fight but saying the entire Ukraine military is fighting against it's will is absolutely false.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'm sure you have read many stories about Russians trying to dodge their draft but similar stories exist for Ukrainians. I have seen videos of Ukrainian men hidden in train ceilibgs being pulled out and conscripted.

The average age of the Ukrainians fighting is also higher than the Russians right now

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

I'm sure, that doesn't disagree with anything I said though.