But wait, isn’t KIIS a biased regime source?! They were the same whose survey showed that the majority of Ukrainians support the fight against the Russian invasion. Hmm, I guess regime polls and stats agencies are only biased when they demonstrate facts that don’t support your narrative. As long as they support your pro-Russian message then you can use their data freely.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

not sure where you got that idea https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html

[–] tellah@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

From here: https://theconversation.com/what-latest-polling-says-about-the-mood-in-ukraine-and-the-desire-to-remain-optimistic-amid-the-suffering-221559

And here: https://news.gallup.com/poll/512258/ukrainians-stand-behind-war-effort-despite-fatigue.aspx

And here: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/beyond-the-counteroffensive-84-of-ukrainians-are-ready-for-a-long-war/

As a matter of fact, your article shows the conscription is unpopular, particularly among people being conscripted. It does not show that the majority of people in Ukraine do not support the fight against the Russian invasion. It was disingenuous of you to provide that article to infer otherwise.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So your counter point to the regime literally abducting people off the street is to provide propaganda statements from the regime and the ghouls at the Atlantic Council? 🤡

[–] tellah@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The source is unbiased and objective in terms of demonstrating that the majority of Ukrainians support the fight against the Russian invasion.

I don’t expect moral perfection from a country that is fighting for its survival against a more powerful aggressor. Yes, conscription is awful. Ukraine has allowed many exceptions but the alternative is to surrender their country to the real ghouls here, which is the Moscow regime that has raped and murdered innocent civilians from Bucha to Mariupol.

There would be no need for conscription if Russia had not invaded Ukraine, and conscription would end tomorrow if Russia would turn around and go home.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you think that Atlantic Council is an unbiased source there's no point talking with you further.

[–] tellah@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The sources are Gallup and KIIS.

Let me know when you can find a source that shows the majority of Ukrainians do not support the war against Russian invasion. I’ll wait.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I hate to break it to you, but those aren't unbiased sources. The regime in Ukraine has banned all opposition parties, and any independent media, and it regularly jails people who speak out against the regime. Pretty incredible that you can't understand why polling under such conditions makes no sense. However, the fact that they cancelled the elections should make it pretty obvious to anybody with a functioning brain what the level of support actually is.

[–] tellah@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago

Of course it is challenging to conduct polls during wartime. Countries tend toward authoritarianism when they are at war. But unlike the invaders, Zelensky’s government was elected in free and fair elections in 2019. This election, as well as the Maidan protests in 2013, make it pretty obvious to me that Ukrainians support their independence from Russia.