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[-] catalog3115@lemmy.world 104 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I am going to repeat what I have said for another similar post.

I still stand for Signal App.

  • Telegram has no default E2EE, Telegram is run by for profit company
  • Multiple flaws were found in Telegram's encryption algorithm
  • Almost all cleartext messages are stored on telegram server, but signal stores encrypted message temporarily
  • Signal is non-profit & all their source code + finances are public. Even their server codes are publically available
[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 weeks ago

Telegram is as safe as just using Facebook DMs (unencrypted), only it's Russian.

I suggest you judge for yourself how safe that is.

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Even if it were encrypted and the backdoor was controlled by the Russian state, logically that would make it safer than Facebook for anyone living in Western jurisdictions. The Russian government cannot get them and is hardly going to exchanging intelligence with its enemies.

[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

To what extent is it Russian?

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Even if it were encrypted

It's not.

logically that would make it safer than Facebook for anyone living in Western jurisdictions. The Russian government cannot get them and is hardly going to exchanging intelligence

No it wouldn't. You shouldn't opine on what they'd do. They can negotiate, you know. And they are exchanging intelligence all the time.

with its enemies.

If that were true, corporations wouldn't work with their competitors.

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

You shouldn’t opine

To "opine" is to have an opinion. Are you suggesting I should refrain from having an opinion? Does this apply to your own opinions too? Odd place to make such an argument.

Otherwise: interesting point. To me, a state that can obtain personal data by leaning on its owns corporations is, by definition, more threatening than one that has to negotiate for it with a hostile power. But perhaps I underestimate the scale of that practice.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

On what they would and wouldn't do - yes, I try not to make opinions.

But perhaps I underestimate the scale of that practice.

Considering that the balance of power between US government and, say, Meta is not much different from the same between it and Russian government (Meta doesn't have a military, but has ways to compensate for that), that should be right.

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