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‘We will fight with our fingernails’ says Netanyahu after US threat to curb arms
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 09 May 2024
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It’s horrible, but there are mass deaths in a war. If Hamas surrendered themselves the war would end.
There will always be a hamas, because when you commit human rights violations against an oppressed occupied people for so long that’s what you get. Israel is the architect of its own misery here
Oppressed people would not be decapitating innocent people, murdering a pregnant woman then cutting out the baby, all the while doing it with pleasure and chanting to their god. It’s doing gods work, not because they’re oppressed.
Yes innocent people get killed in a war, but it’s not the intention. For Hamas, killing any Jewish people is the intention. You’re a terrorism apologist
Nice to meet you genocide apologist. How many children’s hospitals did you bomb today?
There’s no genocide, but there are childrens hospitals loaded with Hamas military weapons. Terrorists don’t give a damn about those children, but it gains them great supporters like your good self.
You keep making this argument but I just don't get. How does the supposed presence of Hamas in / under / around a target full of innocent civilians and children in any way justify bombing the area with what can only be described as full disregard for innocent casualties? Would you be ok with the IDF carpet bombing a hospital full of Israeli citizens based on intelligence that a bunch of Hamas are holed up in the basement? If not, why is it okay if it's innocent Palestinians instead?
Yes, Hamas strategy of endangering citizens is horrible. Does it give Israel blanket permission to just bomb densely populated civilian areas? Absolutely fucking not!
They aren’t blanket bombing civilians. They’re fighting a difficult war in an urban environment against terrorists who hide behind civilians, against civilians who support the terrorists, and telling civilians to evacuate but many are coerced into staying by Hamas, and despite all that, they’re still harming less civilians than would be normal in a war in those circumstances.
So no, I wouldn’t be ok with blanket bombing any hospital full of innocent people. I would be ok with bombing a hospital where innocents have been told to leave and where terrorists and their weapons are located.
Tell me where are all the protests against Hamas? Where are all the people calling for them to surrender? All I hear is apologies for their acts
My dude, where the hell do you think these people can just go to? There is barely any land not under attack these days, and even if there is somewhere safe to go to, not everyone can just leave either because they physically can't or just don't have the means. Especially true when we're talking about goddamn hospitals...
Again, a great reason not to bomb the area if that's known to be the case.
Then why aren't you condemning Israel's conduct? This is exactly what's happening.
So, let me rephrase the question: in a hypothetical situation where hundreds of Israelis were kept in a location with a bunch of Hamas in the basement and coerced to stay there by hamas, do you think the IDF would be justified in bombing it?
I don't even want to engage with this point because it's not relevant in this discussion whatsoever. Unless you think innocent people deserve being bombed because they don't demonstrate against a violent regime within an active warzone while trying to survive.
I support neither. Hamas is the natural consequence of the Israeli apartheid state, is all I’m saying. So, have any big plans today? Going to target a journalist’s family? Help dig a mass grave? Maybe just stop aid and food going to the famished? Must be hard work, but a hearty diet of boot leather will see you through it
Quiet day for me. You decapitating anyone today? Cutting out any unborn babies? Raping? You’re definitely earning your place in paradise. Congratulations
So you agree that killing hostages is an terrorist act, so when Israel shot their own fleeing hostages…
Which never happened but I’d expect nothing less from a Hamas supporter like yourself
Thirst for blood so much you’ll eat your own. Can’t even admit it. Pathetic
Actually, the percentage rate at which people are dying in Palestine exceeds that of WWII. They've also got the most dead reporters in such a short timeframe, perhaps ever recorded.
Which figures are you using? Hamas figures can be taken with a pinch of salt. The best approximation I saw was 3:1 non combatants to combatants which as awful as it sounds is actually very good for dense urban warfare.
Hamas are not fighting like a regular countries army would fight. They do not care for their own civilians
Do you fuck the boot before you eat it?
Do you kiss your jihadist family with that mouth? Or did they all go to paradise detonating themselves already?
You're the one invading a land and killing kids
Jihad is a word often used to describe priests or people faithful in times of hardship, it's even part of the scifi term Butlerian Jihad which describes people who overthrow a robot overlord. It doesn't really indicate connection or relation to any Muslim sect, if that's your misconception. Most of the comments here are probably white agnostic millennials.
What is happening in Gaza right now is abnormal by so many metrics, including % of children killed, % of civilians, and number of reporters. It's far from normal even in context of the more chaotic wars in history. Stop trying to normalize it.
Do you really think that after Israel just brutally murdered thousands of innocent young people's families, they're going to want peace? What Israel is doing right now is making sure that there's going to be a fresh wave of "terrorists" down the line. If you actually want lasting peace, what is going on right now makes absolutely no sense
Show your source for those figures. If it’s the Gaza Health Ministry you should know it’s controlled by Hamas, whose interest it is in to tell you all the dead are women and children to gain international sympathy. Looks like their propaganda is working
Let me turn that right around on you: What are your sources that dispute the Gazan numbers? I find it hard to believe that anyone is in a better position to count casualties than the body running the hospitals in the affected region.
Of course the numbers from all sides always need to be taken with a grain of salt, but GHM numbers are generally trusted by the UN, US government and media, and have been found to be accurate in numerous Western (aka Israel-friendly) studies. I don't know how much more you want.
No, their/your propaganda isn’t working, I hope Israel is turned to glass
Removed, civility.
Lmao, excusing war crime is ok but profanity isn't.
Profanity is fine, attacking other users is not.
You too terrorist sympathiser
It wouldn't end the war, Israel will keep re-categorizing Palestinians as "the enemy" to justify their extermination campaign.
You have to keep in mind that the reason the Palestinians voted Hamas into power was a direct reaction to Israeli hostility.
It existed before Hamas, and will continue after Hamas.