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[–] oo1@kbin.social 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"clean energy" . . . :)
this idea of "clean" electricity seems to makes people think they can use as much electricity as they like even when its marginally all generated with gas or coal..

Like a 30-50% "clean" grid can magically double in capacity to accomodate every cnts tesla charging and new heating loads without more fossil fuel gen.

"oh that doesn't matter it will be 100% renewable soon."
" oh what no, I didn't mean you can build a nuclear powerstation there, can't they build it in india or china or africa and ship the power to us?"
"no matter, we'll invent cold fusion soon"

The difference between average vs marginal generation is something that a lot of electricity proselytes want to handwave away in order to keep selling energy intensive lifestyle and aspirations.

Its much harder to sell people a modest life, or a lower energy inensity - or a lower population density.

[–] MrMakabar 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You want high population density as it makes sharing resources easier. The per capita emissions of a Londoner are at 3.3t. However UK is at 6t.

Also some processes make sense to be moved to the grid, even when they increase electricity generation. EVs are lower emissions then a petrol engine, even with coal electricity.

Otherwise a decrease in consumption is key. However only to a level, where we can provide the basics for everybody. Right now that means we also need more green tech.

[–] oo1@kbin.social -1 points 6 months ago