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gotta do it (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 months ago by memestoanend@lemmy.world to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

objection

The explanation for why I won't has already been presented! Let's think back to something that was said earlier...

If genocide is an inevitability, that means that the US is a fascist state which must be overthrown by any means necessary, and any farcical "elections" between two people who support genocide are a joke that should not be legitimized through participation!

The fact that you're defending genocide as an inevitability is, in fact, a perfect demonstration of the harm caused by this very participation! The reason that you've taken such an abhorrent position is because you've centered the US political system as an immovable object. But the real immovable object should be... STOPPING GENOCIDE!

If your political project cannot draw a hard line against endorsing genocide, then it is worthless!

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Cool cool cool so do you mind doing me a solid and - just humoring me here - casting a ballot for "fewer dead innocents and continuation of Democracy" in this farcical system? I mean sure it's all a joke and pointless, and yeah let's get on with the business of destroying the system and whatnot. But like for just a few hours, since it doesn't matter anyway, can't hurt to throw a ballot in, right?

Surely the other 365 days and 20 hours of breaking down the system more than offsets this tiny, minor, performative participation in it?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

(What can I do? No matter what I try, they're just ignoring and refusing to engage with anything I say! It's like I'm not even in this conversation!) phoenix-sweat

Uhh, let's try this again. Centering the US political system as an immovable object that you must participate in means defending morally abhorrent positions, while also legitimizing it. So no, I will not be voting for anyone who supports genocide, because it's wrong to do so.

[–] Binette@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

I think this is my favorite thread on Lemmy so far lmao.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Then it's complacency. Your protest is not saying you don't want genocide. Your protest is saying you're fine with whatever level of genocide we get. Driving transgender Americans to suicide, if not outright hunting them for sport, would just be an added bonus.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

objection

As a trans person, don't hide behind me to defend your support of genocide!

Under no conceivable circumstance does anyone have a moral responsibility to support genocide. Even if a killer had me at gunpoint, I would sooner die than become an accomplice to mass murder!

phoenix-objection-1 phoenix-objection-2 I reject your framing of the issue! There comes a point where "lesser evilism" no longer applies. If the election were between Mussolini and Hitler, would you tell me that I have a moral responsibility to vote Mussolini? Would you tell me that refusing to legitimize such an election is "complacency?" This is the logical conclusion of your reasoning!