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[–] SaintWacko@midwest.social 126 points 7 months ago (40 children)

Correction: "I'm voting for Biden to make sure the things that are happening right now continue to get slowly better, instead of getting immediately and significantly worse."

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

That's what they said back in '96 when I voted for Ralph Nader. Now we're on the precipice of American democracy falling to fascism, if not now, then very likely in 2028. That doesn't look to me anything like slowly getting better.

Some things have definitely improved in that time, e.g. the recognition of same-sex marriage, or the nascent resurgence of labor unions. Those things have been the result of slow, tough, hard work by the grassroots.

In that same time, though, the Democrats have been slowly helping to put the mechanisms of a fascist state in place, like the PATRIOT ACT, FISA, neutering the 4th Amendment, bolstering the Espionage Act, and setting up collaborative efforts between state police, Federal agencies, and the corporate sector to crush protest movements.

That said, the world is indeed shades of grey, and I voted for Biden in 2020 to stay fascism, if only for a little bit. It's better to vote for the right-wing candidate versus the fascist candidate. I want to vote for him again, but there are some lines that must never be crossed, and I can't in good conscience vote for a President enabling genocide. (The fact that both candidates do is madness.)

Maybe my calculus would be different if there were a reasonable chance that Democrats would do the things that are within their power to do to check the rise of fascism, but I have no confidence of that, as the track record shows otherwise.

Edit: Auto-correct damage.

[–] figaro@lemdro.id 5 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Hey! So I know you are getting people being snarky and whatnot, but I have a legitimate question.

Could you address the question regarding how the Democrats are at least the party that are at least making slow progress, as opposed to not voting against the party that will turn the country into a Christian theocracy if given the chance?

Like I understand that you don't like either candidate - neither do we - but realistically, we know the winner will be either a Republican or a Democrat. Why not support the one that at least won't regress the country 500 years?

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because incrementalism is how we got to this situation in the first place.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 4 points 6 months ago

Damn, you're way more succinct than I am.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Biden is slowly worse, Trump is quickly worse. Liberalism is not about moving leftward, it's about continuing Capitalist hedgemony.

[–] drislands@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Slowly worse is still better than quickly worse, as that means there's more time to find a better solution.

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