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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's because if too many people ask for salads without enough asking for a salad, then everyone has to eat the shit.

So are you confident enough that enough people want salads to risk eating shit if you're wrong, when the alternative is one more burger?

Point being, we need to move to some type of ranked choice voting instead of first past the post in order for it to be safe for people to say what they really want, and still not risk "horror" if not enough people agree.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club -4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What and you think that's just gonna happen? Why would the Dems ever want to implement ranked choice voting when FPTP is exactly what keeps you in this ridiculous situation?

Just keep voting for Dems, that's how we'll eventually reform the system into one where we don't have to vote for Dems... Yeah

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

Wow, look at all those rebuttals to all those things I never said!

I'll definitely myopically ignore the realities of our political system and do something vaguely cathartic but ultimately pointless and let the people I entirely disagree with win to spite the people I only kind of agree with.

Not sarcastically, you're forgetting that the parties are ultimately made of people who are elected by people.
Democratic politicians tend to be Democrats, and Democrats tend to be more positive towards electoral representation.
That's why places are actually adopting ranked choice systems, albeit usually at more local levels where it's easier to change systems and politicians.
https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting-information/#where-is-ranked-choice-voting-used
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/13/1214199019/ranked-choice-voting-explainer

Politicians want to get elected, and they don't really care about the party. If supporting a popular initiative that hurts the party later helps you, you coincidentally agree with it, and on paper it aligns with your party ideals, why wouldn't you vote in favor of it?
It's one of those game theory situations where each individual operating in their own interests creates a situation that's worse for the collective.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It sounds like someone's ordering shit for dinner

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

They're also ordering shit for the rest of us too.