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    When people complain about systemd "violating the unix philosophy", this is what they actually mean (lemmy.world)
    submitted 6 months ago by renzev@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    Credit for the answer used in the right panel: https://serverfault.com/a/841150

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    [–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    I'm out of the loop. The answer that references "one person's personal opinion" is from 2017, and the context it links to is from 2016. Surely things have changed since then, right?

    .. Right?

    (I'm genuinely asking, I've got no idea)

    Edit: I just checked on Linux Mint 21.3. It's still on the same version as back then, 0.105. Well, Debian is nothing if not sable!

    [–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Bookworm looks to be on version 122, so as downstream distros update to newer Debian versions, it should be updated now

    [–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Mint 21.3 is based on Debian Bookworm (via Ubuntu 22.04, not counting LMDE of course). I don't know what you're looking at and I also don't fully know how this works, but what you said doesn't seem to be the case.

    [–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

    Ubuntu 22.04 is long before Bookworm

    It looks like Ubuntu pulled in Bookworm’s version in 23.10

    If Mint is sticking to LTS Ubuntu versions, it will get it whenever it rebases on top of Ubuntu 24.04

    Edit: Debian (Bookworm) polkitd version 122: https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/polkitd

    Ubuntu 22.04 polkitd version 105: https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/polkitd

    Ubuntu 24.04 pre-release polkitd version 124: https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/polkitd

    [–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Very well, you seem to definitely know this stuff better than me! I based my comment on this answer and getting this myself on Mint 21.3:

    $ cat /etc/debian_version 
bookworm/sid

    But reading a bit closer, I think this is the key part:

    That's how, for example, Ubuntu 20.04, released in April 2020, can be based on Debian 11 "Bullseye", which was released in August 2021.

    So Ubuntu probably pulled Bookworm before it was released, and before it upgraded policykit. But it's still to some extent based on Bookworm. Does that sound right?

    [–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Yeah, Ubuntu pulls in the development version of Debian

    “Sid” is the unstable name for Debian - where packages are being tested for the next release

    Debian Bookworm was released 2023

    Ubuntu LTS and Debian have tended to release on a two year cadence offset by a year

    • Debian Stretch (2017)
    • Ubuntu 18.04 (2018)
    • Debian Buster (2019)
    • Ubuntu 20.04 (2020)
    • Debian Bullseye (2021)
    • Ubuntu 22.04 (2022)
    • Debian Bookworm (2023)
    • Ubuntu 24.04 (2024)
    [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 1 points 6 months ago

    lol, I didn't even attempt to read the full thing. But now you made me curious.

    But only curious. I don't feel smart enough to read and comprehend the entire thing.