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[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 113 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The Panama papers consisted of 11 millions documents, 214 000 offshore companies, 14.000 customers.. And now 27 are charged, and that's it.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 54 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Don't forget the guy who broke this story kinda sorta exploded

[–] Arve@lemmy.world 56 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The "guy" in question is called Daphne Anne Caruana Galizia...

[–] snek@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Daphne Anne Caruana Galizia…

I am a girl and I use "guy" in a gender neutral way.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Which is 100% how I was using it. Couldn't remember anything about the person other than they were clearly killed by somebody involved in this.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I am a girl and I use “guy” in a gender neutral way.

Vs. "person"?

The word "guy" (vs "gal", etc.) is literally signaling gender.

Not that I think it's worth much debate/argument, but still. When I read the OC I just substituted the word 'guy' for 'person' in my head, because I understood the meaning of the whole sentence being said.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Language is chabgeable. I always say "guys" for mixed groups. Seems like some more people agree or don't care.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Seems like some more people agree or don’t care.

I don't mostly, I just wanted to make conversation. As I mentioned earlier, I did the mental gymnastics and substituted "person" for "guy" in my head when reading.

Language is chabgeable.

It definately evolves, over time. I speak English but literally can't understand Old English (as an example).

My language doesn't segregate between an Uncle (for example) on my Father's side, vs. on my Mother's side, while some other languages do exactly that, they have two different words depending on which Uncle you're talking about.

Heck, we even use the same vowels but pronounce them differently in different cultures. English pronouces the vowel "I" as "eye", while (for example) with Persian/Farsi they pronounce the vowel "I" as if its an "E". Americans say "Eye-ran" for Iran, where Persians say "Eee-ron" for Iran.

Its important for Humanity to be able to speak to each other, to resolve issues and build a better social World habitat. Kind of hard when people manipulate the languages away from what they are, but then again that Humanity, never 100% perfect.

[–] snek@lemmy.world -5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks for writing this long post but I'm not really going to read it. Not interested in a side trackwd conversation about a non-issue.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks for writing this long post but I’m not really going to read it. Not interested in a side trackwd conversation about a non-issue.

I mean, it's not that long, I'm just quoting what you said before responding to it is all.

And kind of funny, considering you're here on Lemmy to read other people's comments.

And I really truly feel that Humanity needs to be able to talk to each other, and if they can't agree on common wording conventions it makes it that much harder to do. So I think it actually is something of an issue, even if just a minor one.

Overall, too bad, thought we were having a good/friendly conversation.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Woop anorher long one! Noping out of here.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Woop anorher long one!

Four paragraphs, three out of four of them are one sentence long, and the fourth one is two sentences long. That's long to you? Really?

Noping out of here.

No need to run. It's just an Internet conversation.

Honestly, why are you even on Lemmy then, where there's a lot of comments that are longer than that last one I just did?

I'm getting the feeling at this point that you're the type of person who just scrolls down to the bottom of a EULA/TOS and just hits the 'accept' button, without reading.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Oh no another long one! This time I only skimmed through the first sentence.

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wait. You don’t do that also? 😆

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Always read the fine print, or don't bitch and moan about being f'd over.

[–] misanthropy@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You probably think dude implies gender too

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)
[–] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yep I also say dude to men and women. Big deal.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yep I also say dude to men and women. Big deal.

I guess next time I see your mom I'll call her dude.

(I kid, I kid.)

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Don't kid. Call her dude or guy, I literally do not care.

(I kid not and don't see the point, and for a "Cosmic" Cleric, you seem a bit uptight and closeminded)

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wow, so hostile. Have a nice day.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)
[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago
[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I call my mom dude all the time. IMO there is no reason to be offended by being misgendered. Unless it’s obviously an attack.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

IMO there is no reason to be offended by being misgendered. Unless it’s obviously an attack.

Well as someone from an older generation I'd generally agree with you, a simple mistake to apolgize for, and not to be taken so negatively.

But it does seem that these days that type of logic does not hold sway, as people care very deeply about proper gender identification now, and see it as being disrespected if incorrectly gendered. So I try to always use the right gender, so no accidental disrespect is done.

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

People will always expect you to understand things about them you cannot. If someone gets mad. That person sucks. lol.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Actress" also still exists, but many women in that business prefer "actor" and it is becoming a default.

The existence of a word doesn't change the fact that language is fluid.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

“Actress” also still exists, but many women in that business prefer “actor” and it is becoming a default.

Yep, I'm aware. They've gone back and forth on that though in Hollywood, not sure where they landed currently on that. The last Academy Awards was still using actress.

The existence of a word doesn’t change the fact that language is fluid.

The fluidity has nothing to do with the existence of a single word or not, but about human nature, and it's error rate/drift, and how all humans can't "stay on the same page" over a long period of time about the rules of a language, so the language morphs over time. Lol, basically 'cancer' for languages.

But we should try, so that we can maximize the ability to communicate with each other.

[–] robdor@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 7 months ago

Yep that's the guy.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I want to point out that's not typical

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Right. And how many specific names? A hell of a lot more than 27.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"It's a big club, and you ain't in it." - George Carlin

[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

“You drive like old people fuck”

- Also George Carlin

[–] Juvyn00b@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't know why I never knew that was Carlin. Had an old work friend who would say that all the time.

[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

The man was a genius.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

These were the 27 who weren't rich or powerful enough to buy/influence their way out of it.

[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Possibly paid patsies ready to take the fall. Or some intern the bank is willing to throw under the bus.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Just like 08, where one fucking person got charged and it was some low level VP