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I'm still dipping my toes in. Got a bit confused early on, so now I have 2 accounts, one on beehaw.org and one on kbin.social, trying both out to see which interface I like best.
the first step or two are the hardest cus its so different from traditional social media, i made the mistake of making like 10+ mastodon accs on diff instances cus i didnt know how (or even if i could) follow/subscribe to other instances and have them in my feed xD
Oh bless you lol
One thing that sticks out to me is that Lemmy-upvotes show up as "Favourites" on kbin, but upvotes on kbin don't show up on lemmy at all, as far as I can see.
That's because they're different things in the fediverse.
Lemmy upvotes are mapped to ActivityPub upvotes
Kbin upvotes are mapped to ActivityPub boosts (basically a retweet in twitter language)
This also means that Kbin users have to be much more careful with what they "upvote" as that causes the post/comment to be shown to everyone that follows them in the wider fediverse. They are looking to change this if I recall correctly, and there's a lot of communication between the devs of Lemmy and Kbin on how to approach both this issue, and unifying their API system so apps can work for both.
@Barbarian
I think kbin is changing its voting system to match lemmy's so this isn't relevant anymore, but kbin users don't have to be much more careful. Kbin users should use kbin the way that makes sense and fediverse developers should handle how protocol things are interpreted.
For years, there have been mandates for users to change their behavior to deal with weird interoperability issues between software (mostly in how mastodon handles things from other software). The way to solve these issues is for the various fediverse vendors to work on proper interoperability not force users through weird hoops.
@bruhsoulz @madjo
I dropped kbin when I saw that they were using some Google infrastructure and scripts. I think it's a good opportunity to degoogle as well.
Ah I was wondering why so many posts have no up/down votes and where those favourites are coming from. Thanks for the explanation!
I feel indeed that those two should be switched. It makes more sense to have the 'favourites' be boosts instead of the upvotes. I wonder what the downvote is mapped to :)
According to its github page, kbin is still in beta stage, and some features are still missing, but it's under active development.
Do you use other parts of the fediverse? Or mostly interacting with lemmy communities?
I'm also on mstdn.social and I have a pixelfed account somewhere :)
Have you found kbin to be a good interface for interacting with mastodon or pixelfed? I think I have a dream of one platform to interact all the other popular fediverse platforms, but maybe thatβs not realistic.
You can use kbin as a mastodon thing too, from what I can see, but I haven't used it for that yet. I'd love it if I could attach my already existing Masto account to kbin, so that I could use kbin as the client for that account. But maybe that's a silly idea.
Ah, neat that it works with mastodon too. I get confused why I need so many different accounts in the fediverse (one for lemmy, one for mastodon, etc.). I would think that since theyβre all federated together one single account could comment on all the different platforms. But it seems like you need separate accounts because you need access to separate UIs to interact with each platform.
You can definitely interact with Lemmy from a Mastodon account, I've seen various people demoing it over the last few days and I've followed a couple of smaller communities here so they show up in my Mastodon feed. That said it's not the best interface for reading long posts.
I've seen people from friendica too, I just wish there was a way to view mastodon and other non Lemmy posts that weren't connected to lemmy directly, as is if I view a mastodon account for example I only see what they've posted to lemmy unless I look from a mastodon account
@kiwi
You should be able to; #ActivityPub was designed for that. But the mastodon team decided early on that that kind of interoperability wasn't important to them so they built their own API and the rest of the fediverse has followed to remain compatible
@bruhsoulz @madjo