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Joseph Lieberman Sought Middle Ground on Climate Change | Although his legislation failed, the late Connecticut Senator and one-time vice presidential candidate kept attention on the issue (insideclimatenews.org)
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[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are you referring to cap and trade - a market based solution - as “left wing?”

[–] silence7 -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

There are two market based approaches out there:

  • cap and trade, which provides assurances about total aggregate emissions, but not price
  • carbon tax, which provides assurances about price, but not aggregate emissions

They're both reasonable approaches, and we'd have been better off with a working cap and trade system than nothing at all, which was the actual right-wing position.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m absolutely not arguing that we are better off without them. I’m not sure what the models are predicting they can do at this point rather than 20 years ago, but I’m not arguing for doing nothing versus caps/taxes.

I’m just saying it’s not what I’d characterize as a “left” position. I’d call it a center-right position.

[–] silence7 -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

However you characterize it: he favored action over unbridled emissions.

[–] sping@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago

That would be a different conversation.

People with a mix of right and left wing views exist, and he was one.

Was the topic, if you remember, for which an example of him being left would help.