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In surprise vote, European climate protection plan shelved following farmer protests (abcnews.go.com)
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[–] leave_it_blank@lemmy.world 73 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The same farmers will protest in 10 years when their harvests will be destroyed constantly by heatwaves and draughts. "We had no idea..."

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I fucking hate farmers, man

[–] Maeve@kbin.social -5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They're feeding us and struggle, too.

[–] sethw@kbin.social 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

They're exporting for profit, our own countries essentially colonized by these farmers exploiting our shared natural resources polluting the ground, water and air for their own gain at our expense.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

We didn't take the *lesson from the potato famine, so hey!

*His in cyberspace does "lesson"autocorrect to"train"?

[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago

Meh, i've talked to organic farmers here in Europe (and real organic farmers, not bigscale "we're technically organic), and even they were against the current proposals. the plan appeared to be very naive, and would just end up making farming (even the most ecological variants) extremely uncertain and always at direct odds with nature preservation, and as some others have already said, we would just end up in more food being imported from parts of the world where farming standards are way lower, where there is more worker exploitation, etc... that can't possibly be the goal of an environmental plan either.

There of course is a big conflict between farming & nature preservation, but then adding that to the pile of bullshit farmers already have to endure (a lot of regulation, big supermarkets dictating the price at which they 'may' sell, even outside the proposal that was cancelled here, a lot of constantly changing environmental regulations, expensive farmland because they're competing against wealthy people who want to put some horses there, ...)

And if the end goal is to have nearly no farming left in Europe, then that should be clearly communicated, and not just adding random things to the pile of stuff farmers have to deal & contend with.