politics
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
view the rest of the comments
The misinformation in this thread is real.
I'd bet money that most people here didn't watch the trial or the videos of what happened. The media baselessly called him a murderer and that was enough for people to parrot it.
I watched a disgusting sham trial proving the injustice of our legal system, is that the same one you saw?
That the same trial where the survivor admitted it was his own damn fault?
Tell me if you were told a different series of events than this:
The first guy chased Kyle while yelling threats about how he was going to kill him, cornered Kyle, then lunged at his gun before Kyle shot him. Kyle then ran towards police while a mob pursued him, throwing stuff at him including a heavy rock that hit him in the head knocking him down. The second guy ran up to Kyle while he was on the ground about was about to club him in the head with a skateboard before Kyle shot him, and the third guy ran up on Kyle and pointed a gun at his head before Kyle shot him.
Care to elaborate on why you think the trial was a sham? Do you disagree that this was self defense? Or are you simply upset that he had a gun?
You could argue that even though he isn't a convicted murderer, colloquially calling him a murderer isn't incorrect.
Why do you feel that way though? I'm not being facetious or a troll, I genuinely want to know what facts about Kyle's encounter that you (and probably others) base this opinion off of.
If someone chased you down unprovoked and tried to kill you, and you killed them in self defense, no one in their mind would call you a murderer. There are countless cases of self defense that are less cut and dry than this one, but no one bats an eye at them.
If you unnecessarily bring a gun somewhere and end up in a situation where you need to use it to kill people, you're a murderer. I choose to label that murder because I place him in the same category as convicted murderers in my head. He isn't some dude going about his life and needed to use lethal force in self defense due to unforseen circumstances. He actively sought out the situation, and therefore bears some responsibility. This is more a question of if you want to see his pattern of behavior encouraged or discouraged rather than a question about any individual's culpability.
Even if he didn't provoke anyone? As long as the gun isn't pointed at anyone and threats aren't made with it, there's nothing provocative about it being there. I understand how others may feel different when their only exposure to firearms is what establishment news decides to show them, but reality is that the simple presence of a weapon like this is not alone a threat.
If Kyle instead brought a concealed handgun (ignoring how that's illegal for a 17 y/o) and only drew it a moment before when he shot his first attacker, would your opinion change? How about if it was a knife, or a rock he found nearby? What if someone else jumped in and killed Kyle's attacker instead?
He did not actively seek out to kill people, you're misinformed at best if you believe that, arrogant at worst.
I don't feel that trying to stop property damage for a family friend's establishment in the middle of a riot, where police refused to stop people, is a pattern of behavior I want to discourage people from doing. If a convicted sex offender tried to kill me for stopping them from destroying my friend's livelihood, and I killed them in self defense, I wouldn't feel remorse for my actions.
I'm happy the jury ruled on facts and not liberal propaganda. And I say that as a registered Democrat.
Dude provocation is entirely dependent on how others feel. If I find you bringing a rifle to my kid's birthday party is unsettling then you’ve by definition provoked me. I don’t care if you’re not pointing it at anyone lol
You'll notice I didn't disagree with the verdict. I just think Kyle is scum and a murderer even if that's not under the technical legal definitions.
Really? Letting children be judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to property damage is something your'e totally okay with? I think you have a little bit of growing up to do, buddy.
Property rights uber alles.
Carrying around that weapon in a place he had no need to be in is not provoking anyone?
Please refer back to this comment, it has all the detail and context you need to understand my argument.
Thanks for the intelligent response.
I sense some sarcasm.
Why was he there?
He traveled out of state, with a gun, looking for trouble. And killed two people. He's a murderer as far as I'm concerned, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up killing again. He's so proud of having shot those people that he's literally going around the country and speaking about it lol.
Exactly, this guy gets it, Kyle Rittenhouse didn't murder anyone, Kyle Rittenhouse only shot and killed two people.