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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

ITT: not one person who knows what far left is.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Left is to redistribute the land. Far left is to redistribute the landlords too.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Far left is no landlords really. Like maybe small scale for like older people who prefer not to own condos and do any maintenance in elderly years, or students or people temporarily in another country or something, but no massive bloated greedy parasites like now.

[–] blujan@sopuli.xyz 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think they meant eat the rich

[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I think the distinction comes in how you get there.

[–] CCF_100@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

How would apartments work, ideally? I guess have a contract where everyone living in the apartments owns a percentage of the building, and therefore the community of people that live there are responsible for building maintenance and other stuff like that, right?

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

I feel like this is easy to answer and I'm not sure why the question comes up so often.

People have jobs and get payed salaries to both build and maintain houses/apartments. Rent payments would go to pay the actual people that did the building / do the maintenance. Nobody makes profit off this. No landlord, no investor, no profit. The money goes to cover building costs, then maintenance. Easy peasy.

We have things like this. People build and maintain our public roads, schools, water/sewer systems, fire departments, military, etc.

No profits. No landlord gets free money for renting. No wallstreet investor gets free money for selling at high market values, etc.

Obviously, decisions have to be made about supply/demand, areas where lots of people want to live and all that. So what? Let's make those decisions intelligently instead of greed and profit driven.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

My friend lives in a co-op apartment that works exactly like that and it works very well.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

Isn't that how most apartments work? The apartment I live in, and every apartment I know of has an "owners corporation", of which each owner of each apartment is a member. The members have meetings and elect a committee to make financial decisions. All members pay fees to the owners corporation. Most of the money goes to a building manager, which is an external company hired by the owners corporation to maintain the building. The building manager handles repairs and cleaning of the common areas and facilities. Any non-routine spending must be approved by the committee (and large expenditures, such as elevator replacement, would go to a vote of all members).

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Anyway, the gist is what you said. Individuals and families own the apartments, and collectively they own the whole building and make decisions about how it should be maintained and run.

[–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

You just described a housing cooperative. This form of collective ownership aligns owner and renter/home owner stakeholders as the same person and is a special form of consumer cooperative. Housing cooperatives are especially prevalent in the nordic countries. They keep prices down as they aren't owned by shareholders who want continuous profit. The problem with this style of firm is that they tend to dissolve after the tenets collectively pay off the property and seek to sell rather than maintain or expand the cöop. This occured after world war 2 in France as a bunch of post war building were quickly built and the coops that built them were dissolved.

[–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but there is the authoritarian state owned housing way and the anarchist housing cooperative way. Political science isn't linear.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

I don't think you can simply call state housing authoritarian or housing coops Anarchist, political science isn't really binary, nor even grid-based like the political compass wants it to be.

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Let's redistribute the farlands!