My understanding is that while rights are inalienable, meaning we recognize that Chinese citizens have the inherent right of free speech as well, not just in our direction, I'm not sure we grant free speech to mean a foreign state gets to use its technology to determine our national conversation.

I'm sure there would be teenage trans kids who through confusion ended up pro hamas, but I think tik tok could almost be accused of creating and fostering a movement that is certainly close to that very thing.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wait. Are you blaming China for the anti Israel movement in politics?

That's... Impressive. Hilarious too but also impressive.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I never conflated a pro-hamas movement with an anti-israel one.

If there are leftists or vulnerable minorities who have become indoctrinated into pro-hamas rhetoric, yes, I clearly think tik tok is responsible because these kids certainly aren't reading it on on storm front.

I am not interested in having a conversation where you pretend I am talking about the pro Palestine/anti Israeli government movements.

[–] Kalysta@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My dude. No leftist is pro Hamas. Hamas wants to create a religious ethnostate just like Israel wants to create a religious ethnostate. We ARE pro Palestinian freedom. But Israel is the one who keeps making Hamas the dominant Palestinian political party, in order to use them as an excuse to continue their genocide.

Stop pretending to know what the left thinks when you’ve clearly never actually spoken to their members.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago

If something a person says that wasn't personally directed at you doesn't actually apply to you, they probably weren't talking about you.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sure and my racist uncle's joke about drowning a random person totally isn't just his black guy joke barely concealed.

The narrative has for months been that anyone who is critical of Israel is Pro Hamas. And now you want us to believe that's changed when someone is defending the most breathtakingly xenophobic bill in modern times?

Lmao. No.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

You aren't talking to a narrative, but rather a human being. You understand that, yes?