You're arguing with a person driven by anti-Western/NATO viewpoints; you'll never get a fair response. Even if they find something to back up their claims, it'll be a biased source. Expect sputnik news or some other direct Russian propaganda source. Just gotta get used to that on Lemmy.

Edit: Removed the "t" word as apparently that's a slur now.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Even if they find something to back up their claims, it’ll be a biased source.

There is literally no such thing as an unbiased source, and the core bias of the corporate media is the bias of the capitalist class.

The whole concept of the “left” or ”right“ “bias” being inversely correlated with factualness is garbage. These kinds of graphs, which try to convince us that centrism equals factualness, are garbage:

The workings of corporate media were explained about forty years ago in Inventing Reality and Manufacturing Consent.
A five minute introduction: Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes I'm just curious where people got their numbers from. This time both for because the first argument seems unlikely and second I wanted to know if they count the occupied areas and those forcibly moved for example.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 3 points 8 months ago

I completely understand, but remember that for some people this is just a matter of ideology. Any response will be filled with so many bullshit claims that you'll have to spend an hour digging through random articles, YouTube videos, and googling drive-by statements in order to refute them.

They argue by shooting dozens of points at you hoping that you'll just say "ah shit, this person is quoting X, Y, and Z so they must be correct", knowing that no reasonable person would spend the time required to refute each and every BS statement they've made. (gish galloping, for the uninitiated)

I did this once before, and it took much longer than expected to refute each bullshit source. When dealing with these people you either don't engage, or enjoy them feasting on your free time.