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Three top nitrogen gas manufacturers in US bar products from use in executions
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Do you actually believe that life imprisonment and death are the same level of punishment? And if yes, why would it matter which one we use?
If it is not the same, then how are they not getting of lightly for ending someone elses life?
Having a comparator does not automatically make something light.
Water torture is not “light” simply because we’re not gouging eyeballs and cutting off testicles. Burning someone with acid is not “light” simply because we’re not actively lighting them on fire.
You have yet to provide any justification for your claim that imprisonment is “light” other than that it’s not death. You can’t justify barbarism simply by saying that something else that isn’t barbarism is lighter by comparison, and therefore barbarism must be justified. Were that true, you could try to justify any proposed barbaric act by saying that the second worst thing is “light” by comparison.
What is the necessity of killing someone after 36 years of not killing them? There’s clearly not a safety concern, or a concern of escape, or anything else pressing. It’s so far removed from the original crime that it’s not really a punishment for that crime anymore: the last 36 years of imprisonment were the punishment. It’s just an act of barbarism for the sake of ticking a box.
I guess both barbarism and light are subjective, but I think I understand your argument.
That being said, there are so many things more barbaric than executing criminals going on in our societies that focusing on this is like fixing a burst water pipe on the sinking Titanic.
“Other things are bad so we should fix nothing” is bad reasoning. If we all agree that something is bad and can be fixed by proper legislation, then it should be done. The price of tea in China has no bearing on whether this specific problem should or shouldn’t be fixed.
If you have other things you want to focus on, feel free to advocate for those in the proper channels.
An empty swimming pool is bad. A burning house is bad. Filling your pool with limited water supply before putting out the fire is also bad.
There is so much focus to go around for politics.
In this analogy, what is the “water?” Legislators’ time? Because that time is consumed much more by political infighting than any specific topic for legislation.
You realize right now is that your argument is essentially that we should keep killing prisoners because not killing them would take time away from “other things,” things so pressing they can only be spoken about in the most vague of notions?
“Yeah, I totally want to go to your wedding bro, but I’ve got sooooo much stuff going on, just like… you know, soooo much and all and yeah, totally wish I could bro.”
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as
I am thinking more in terms of public and activist focus. Hey, if you don't like killing people, how about not sending weapons to bomb 10s of thousands of actually innocent civilians in Gaza and spread famine that could kill many more as opposed to handful of convicted murderers.
But if you can solve political infighting and get politicians to focus on solving all these issues, that would be even better. I just don't see how that would be possible.
I am opposed to those things as well, so we agree on that point. Maybe the legislators can sponsor a “stop killing people” bill that includes provisions for both not bombing Gaza and also not executing prisoners? Sounds like a win-win to me.
The government not getting to misuse the death penalty and not bombing civilians? Sounds like a win-win to me too. Almost too good to be possible in a hyperpolarized two party system.