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Former Vice President Pence files paperwork launching 2024 presidential bid in challenge to Trump (apnews.com)

submitted 1 year ago by Exaggeration207@beehaw.org to c/politics@beehaw.org

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"Pence supporters see a lane for a reliable conservative who espouses many of the previous administration’s policies but without the constant tumult. While he frequently lauds the accomplishments of the 'Trump-Pence administration,' a Pence nomination in many ways would be a return to positions long associated with the Republican establishment but abandoned as Trump reshaped the party in his image. Pence has warned against the growing populist tide in the party, and advisers see him as the only traditional, Reagan-style conservative in the race."

"As vice president, Pence had been an exceedingly loyal defender of Trump until the days leading up to Jan. 6, 2021, when Trump falsely tried to convince Pence and his supporters that Pence had the power to unilaterally overturn the results of the 2020 election. That day, a mob of Trump’s supporters violently stormed the U.S. Capitol building after being spurred on by Trump’s lies that the 2020 election had been stolen. Many in the crowd chanted 'Hang Mike Pence!' as Pence, his staff and his family ran for safety, hiding in a Senate loading dock."

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[–] DarraignTheSane@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Too christo-fascist for any sane person, not fascist enough for the MAGA movement. Too bad, Pence.

[–] Exaggeration207@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I have no idea who he thinks he's going to appeal to here. His voter base either wants to move past the Trump administration entirely, or they're people who wanted him dead on Jan. 6th. I don't like those odds.

[–] Designate6361@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I feel like these poeple running are just trying to kill the Trump vote, DeSantis is the guy the GOP want but they need to get rid of the Trump effect. Pence will literally spend the campaign telling everyone how bad Trump was.

[–] Exaggeration207@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's also possible that candidates like Chris Christie, Nikki Haley, Mike Pence and Asa Hutchinson are all banking on the idea that scandals and legal troubles could sink both Trump and DeSantis by 2024. Bill Clinton wasn't seen as the obvious choice for the Democrats in 1991, and it wasn't until February or March of 1992 that he emerged as the front-runner. A lot can happen in the next several months, so I'm sure they want to get their foot in the door early.

That being said? Pence is still unelectable in my view. The MAGA death cult will write-in Ivanka, or something, rather than begrudgingly casting a vote for him.

[–] Designate6361@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

A lot can happen in the next several months, so I’m sure they want to get their foot in the door early.

They also said that about trump that he would fizzel out. And then look what happened. And considering he still has a stangle hold on the party honestly you need to find a way to burry him or make him seem like he wont beat biden.

[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel like these poeple running are just trying to kill the Trump vote, DeSantis is the guy the GOP want but they need to get rid of the Trump effect.

i think it's closer to "they're all trying to be Trump without Trump's baggage" but yeah. Pence has a good case on paper for this since he's literally just a token evangelical Trump selected, and also Trump tried to get him stochastically killed. the problem is he's an unlikable, uncharismatic freak who wasn't particularly popular in his own state--and that was before he was perceived by at least a third of republicans as why the Democrats were able to steal the election. he's also running against like 10 other people trying to do this, none of which have their own unique constituency. it's very stupid.