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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (3 children)

straight from the book of joahua in the old testament

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Here is a list of the killings in Joshua.

The Jericho Massacre

Achan and his family are stoned and burned to death

The Ai Massacre

God stops the sun so that Joshua can get his killing done in the daylight

Five kings are killed and hung on trees

Joshua utterly destroyed all that breathed as the Lord God commanded

The genocide of twenty kingdoms

The Anakim: Some more giant killing

https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/dwb/jos.html

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago
[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

To be fair to the old testament it's not factual history. Those no proof of a Unified Kingdom of Israel and no proof for any of Joshua's conquests. Even though we have evidence of much older kingdoms in the area such as Yamhad.

If anything the old testament has history reversed. In 722 BC the Assyrians destroy Israel (circa 1000 BC with capital always in Shechem). The refugees move to Judah (circa 900 BC). The Israelites took their religion and rebased it on Jerusalem AFTER Israel got sacked. This means a "Jewish" identity for Israel could not have taken off until the 600 BCs at the earliest. 4000 years of Judaism history my 🍑.

Maccabee came in the 200 BCs and forced people into what we now call Judaism. The reason why a complete Bible cannot be found from the BC era is because the Bible wasn't finished yet.

  • The oldest fragment of the old testament says that the mountain around Shechem is the holy place.

  • The Bible says that a lot of the Judahites were bad but all of the Samaritans are bad.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The book of Joshua is archeologically completely anachronistic and false in the Southern Levant.

The early Israelites have only been found to have been peacefully cohabitating with the Canaanites and Philistines in the early Iron Age after they emerged as a population.

Personally, I think like a number of the pre-Judahite stories, that this was coming from an Aegean/Anatolian sea peoples forced relocation into the Southern Levant that ends up absorbed into the Israelite history.

'Yeshua' in Greek can go as either Jesus or Jason.

The Argonauts allegedly had a prophet Mopsus that died in the desert as they traveled by foot from a conflict in North Africa (not long before one of their elite warriors was killed by a shepherd casting a stone from a sling, actually).

There's no walls at the Biblical Jericho at the time these events were supposedly taking place, but Mycenae around 1200 BCE has its walls fall down (and it seems not to have been an earthquake, which was a recent surprise).

There's no evidence of the Israelites being a bunch of tribes conquering nearby cities and certainly not several across an ancestral homeland, but the sea peoples were a confederation of different tribes conquering their various home cities (at a time of various natural disasters were conveniently undermining powerful kingdoms, which was likely a factor in why they were so successful and why this period ends up mythologized with divine interventions).

At one of those battles the sea people were described as being without foreskins. This seems to be the same one day battle against Egypt that Odysseus claimed to have fought right at after the Trojan war.

The parallels get really incredible when you dive deeper into some of them. The recent Aegean style pottery made with local clay in Tel Dan, the only apiary in the "land of milk and honey" importing bees from Anatolia and worshipping an unknown bee goddess, and the song of Deborah ('bee'), prophet and leader of the Israelites, talking about "Dan stayed on their ships" is super fucking interesting for example.

I think a lot of what we think we know about the Mediterranean at the fall of the Bronze Age is due to be turned on its head as the historians of antiquity like Herodotus, Hecateus of Adbera, Atrapanus of Alexandria, Tacitus, and Manetho end up validated with a number of things modern historians have been making fun of with an air of superiority (bizarre given the relative access to documentary and oral traditions and the relationship of that to the likely impacts of survivorship bias).

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Why is it that followers of holy books always have a section or two that should be ignored when it's convenient?

'the word of God', but you can toss out whole sections without a second thought, meanwhile, if you break what's said in the other section you're definitely evil

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

because religion is fake