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I'd agree if there would ba a "could" in there or something. The reality is that a lot of soy (that humans can digest) is fed to animals...
I can't digest soy, soy is actually one of the most common allergies. I am actually finding that as I get older all legumes are getting a little hard for me to digest (not sure what that is about). I am someone who would have not lived though childhood with out the ability to have both the protein and calories I got from eating meat. (I couldn't do dairy as a child either)
I get what is being said about gain finishing. A practice that is really more of a result of corporate agriculture than anything else. I just find these black and white statements about how non ag people think ag should work. Fail to take into account pastoralism or dry land grazing, while also glossing over petrochemical fertilizer uses. All the best studies I have read on the climate affects of any type of agriculture come to the conclusion that it is near impossible to tell, due to the vast number of variables. The ones that come to some strong conclusion tend to throw out a lot of data because it is too hard to use.
I have nothing against reducing meat intake nor will I ever say that vegetation diets are "bad" I just find that people are often unwilling to understand the systems they want to change.
A soy allergy isn't a death sentence. Eggs exist, and so do tons and tons of other sources of protein.
Cannabis seeds, for one, are great source of protein and contain all the essential aminoacids.
I was unaware of the term "grain finished", so I looked it up.
You're not seriously suggesting that most cattle enjoy such conditions?
If you just plain do the math of the area needed for grazing versus the average consumption of beef per capita you can see that most cattle is definitely not just "grain finished".
So for me soy was a death sentence. As a child I would get an anaphylactic reaction to soy. So yeah I had to be very careful.
I did eat eggs, lots of eggs. The thing is a large egg has about 70 calories. In my teens and 20s I had a maintenance diet of over 3000 calories a day. I could easily eat a meal of over 1000 calories and be hungry in a few hours. That is 30+ eggs a day.
I assume you mean hemp seeds? Right? It's great that food sources like that exist. Having said that, I don't really think they were available during the Reagan administration....
No I don't think Grain finishing is a good thing. As I said it is a thing that exists because of commercial ag. I personally think. That JBS, national, Tyson, and Cargile are destroying the meat industry for their own gain. No one except their shareholders benefit. That is why I always advocate for people to buy their meat from the rancher. It is much better for the animals, Grass finished tastes better, and it supports independent producers.
Feel free to show me the math. Look I am not trying to be mean but that statement is just not true. That is not how cow digestion works. Both steers and nursing/pregnant heifers need to be on a grass diet. If you really want I can give you a much better break down of how exactly it works. It may be through silage or haylage, but they are not a grain diet. Grain is what makes beef marbled, that is why cows are just finished on it. Too much fat in the beef reduces its value.
Look I agree that industrial ag practices are not the right way. And as I said last time it is very important to understand a system to be able to create real change.
Yeah, eating soy with a severe soy allergy can lead to anaphylactix shock, but having a soy allergy doesn't mean you won't be able to get protein elsewhere, meaning you just have to not eat soy.
You can easily die of lactose intolerance as well. Diarrhea is historically in like the top 3 causes of death.
The plant is called cannabis.
"Hemp" is for people who don't understand that "hemp" is a political term and that "hemp seeds" are in fact cannabis seeds and that even the most psychoactive cannabis has no psychoactive alkaloids in the seeds.
Not what I asked. I asked if you seriously think most cattle is "grain finished" when literally a vast majority of the world's cattle is fed solely on feed and never even see grass.
"Feel free to show me, I'm unable to back up anything I said and I think it's up to you to disprove me instead of me being able to support the things I'm saying."
And you talk about being annoyed by people who don't know what they're talking about?
Which country's data should we use?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/land-use-per-kg-poore
https://www.statista.com/statistics/269236/grazing-land-worldwide-by-region/
There's the data
Why the ad hominem attacks?
You said that
Also you completely failed to respond to them not being available to me as a child.
That is not what you asked, you asked.
Why are you trying to change what you said instead of a good faith effort to reply with counter points. I am always happy to have a good discussion.
I look at your data it says nothing about how cattle many cows are gain finished or not. You completely failed to reply to the fact that cows can't be on an all grain diet despite your previous statement to that.
I don't think you understand what that means.
You're alive, dummy. Because you don't eat soy. If you were allergic to oxygen, that argument might apply.
What's this about anger? You might be projecting. So me noting that hemp is cannabis made you feel stupid, so you feel angry. It's understandable, dw.
"My parents didn't care about my dietary requirements so that means that it literally didn't exist"
"Marijuana" :DD
"cannabis family"
They're both the exact same plant; cannabis sativa. "Hemp" just refers to the cannabis that isn't too strong.
From your comment:
As if no cattle was fed only on feed. And then you have the audacity to pretend to be angry at people who don't understand agriculture. "Grain finished" means "mostly grass fed" and that just isn't fucking true, hahahahaahah
ad hominem
1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect an ad hominem argument 2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem
Ad hominen means trying to win the argument through the properties of the other person.
It's a common mistake. Some, uh, less capable people confuse "ad hominem" for "insult".
You're alive. Thus your soy allergy wasn't a death sentence, was it? Are you dead?
Hemp IS cannabis, dummy, and most beef are not "grass finished" but feed fed.
Not like you're trying to avoid having said something stupid about a thing you don't understand, is it..? ;>
Okay did you just disagree with the definition of ad hominin? Anyway clearly you are trying to make this devolve into name calling. I guess because you don't have anything else, I don't know and honestly I don't really care.
I am going to block you because I can and you have nothing productive left to say.
Good luck buddy.
No, I didn't. You misconstrued the definition.
You think "ad hominem" means "insult", dumb-dumb.
Here's how it works: if I say "you're wrong because you're dumb", that's an ad hominem. If I say "you're wrong, here's extensive reasoning why, and also, on a sidenote, you're dumb as shit", that is not an ad hominem.
The definition is "(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining".
"Rather than the position they're maintaining.**
You're having a hard time with this part because you don't have a position to maintain. :)
Are you dead? Did having a soy allergy mean that you died? Was it a... death sentence? Am I speaking to the after-life?
Hemp IS cannabis, anyone thinking it's a different plant is rather brainwashed and illiterate. (It takes like 10 seconds to check that on Google.)
"I'm going to block you because you made me feel bad and I'm not man enough to admit when I say something stupid" yeah I'm not surprised :D