I am someone who would have not lived though childhood with out the ability to have both the protein and calories I got from eating meat. (I couldn't do dairy as a child either)

A soy allergy isn't a death sentence. Eggs exist, and so do tons and tons of other sources of protein.

Cannabis seeds, for one, are great source of protein and contain all the essential aminoacids.

I was unaware of the term "grain finished", so I looked it up.

When beef is grain-finished, cattle are free to eat a balanced diet of grain, local feed ingredients, like potato hulls or sugar beets, and hay or forage at the feedyard.

You're not seriously suggesting that most cattle enjoy such conditions?

If you just plain do the math of the area needed for grazing versus the average consumption of beef per capita you can see that most cattle is definitely not just "grain finished".

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So for me soy was a death sentence. As a child I would get an anaphylactic reaction to soy. So yeah I had to be very careful.

I did eat eggs, lots of eggs. The thing is a large egg has about 70 calories. In my teens and 20s I had a maintenance diet of over 3000 calories a day. I could easily eat a meal of over 1000 calories and be hungry in a few hours. That is 30+ eggs a day.

I assume you mean hemp seeds? Right? It's great that food sources like that exist. Having said that, I don't really think they were available during the Reagan administration....

No I don't think Grain finishing is a good thing. As I said it is a thing that exists because of commercial ag. I personally think. That JBS, national, Tyson, and Cargile are destroying the meat industry for their own gain. No one except their shareholders benefit. That is why I always advocate for people to buy their meat from the rancher. It is much better for the animals, Grass finished tastes better, and it supports independent producers.

If you just plain do the math of the area needed for grazing versus the average consumption of beef per capita you can see that most cattle is definitely not just "grain finished".

Feel free to show me the math. Look I am not trying to be mean but that statement is just not true. That is not how cow digestion works. Both steers and nursing/pregnant heifers need to be on a grass diet. If you really want I can give you a much better break down of how exactly it works. It may be through silage or haylage, but they are not a grain diet. Grain is what makes beef marbled, that is why cows are just finished on it. Too much fat in the beef reduces its value.

Look I agree that industrial ag practices are not the right way. And as I said last time it is very important to understand a system to be able to create real change.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, eating soy with a severe soy allergy can lead to anaphylactix shock, but having a soy allergy doesn't mean you won't be able to get protein elsewhere, meaning you just have to not eat soy.

You can easily die of lactose intolerance as well. Diarrhea is historically in like the top 3 causes of death.

I assume you mean hemp seeds? Right?

The plant is called cannabis.

"Hemp" is for people who don't understand that "hemp" is a political term and that "hemp seeds" are in fact cannabis seeds and that even the most psychoactive cannabis has no psychoactive alkaloids in the seeds.

No I don't think Grain finishing is a good thing

Not what I asked. I asked if you seriously think most cattle is "grain finished" when literally a vast majority of the world's cattle is fed solely on feed and never even see grass.

"Feel free to show me, I'm unable to back up anything I said and I think it's up to you to disprove me instead of me being able to support the things I'm saying."

And you talk about being annoyed by people who don't know what they're talking about?

Which country's data should we use?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/land-use-per-kg-poore

https://www.statista.com/statistics/269236/grazing-land-worldwide-by-region/

There's the data

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why the ad hominem attacks?

You said that

soy is not a death sentence Even when it was for me and your reply to that seems angry. Well talked about this. I couldn't eat soy or dairy. I ate eggs , but they are not calorie dense enough. And yes I ate lots of legumes. My mom fed us lots of lentils when I was a kid. And as I as said I literally couldn't eat enough calories without meat. As I have gotten older I have been able to eat a little less meat which is nice, but there are many people like me who have shit digestion. We live our lives chronically under weight despite eating 4 or 5 meals a day. I literally didn't have the option. Meat and animal fat were the only foods that were calorie dense enough to keep me alive. Are you saying I should have died?

The plant is called cannabis Again why the anger? I know what it is call. There is a clear definition between hemp and marijuana. Yes they are both part of the cannabis family but we both know you are not buy marijuana seed at the food co-op as a supplement.

Also you completely failed to respond to them not being available to me as a child.

Not what I asked. I asked if you seriously think most cattle is "grain finished"

That is not what you asked, you asked.

You're not seriously suggesting that most cattle enjoy such conditions?

Why are you trying to change what you said instead of a good faith effort to reply with counter points. I am always happy to have a good discussion.

I look at your data it says nothing about how cattle many cows are gain finished or not. You completely failed to reply to the fact that cows can't be on an all grain diet despite your previous statement to that.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Why the ad hominem attacks?

I don't think you understand what that means.

Even when it was for me

You're alive, dummy. Because you don't eat soy. If you were allergic to oxygen, that argument might apply.

Again why the anger?

What's this about anger? You might be projecting. So me noting that hemp is cannabis made you feel stupid, so you feel angry. It's understandable, dw.

Also you completely failed to respond to them not being available to me as a child.

"My parents didn't care about my dietary requirements so that means that it literally didn't exist"

I know what it is call. There is a clear definition between hemp and marijuana. Yes they are both part of the cannabis family but we both know you are not buy marijuana seed at the food co-op as a supplement.

"Marijuana" :DD

"cannabis family"

They're both the exact same plant; cannabis sativa. "Hemp" just refers to the cannabis that isn't too strong.

From your comment:

Just so you know cattle are only grain finished, personally I don't like the practice. More details in my reply to a different comment. https://lemmy.world/comment/8250179

As if no cattle was fed only on feed. And then you have the audacity to pretend to be angry at people who don't understand agriculture. "Grain finished" means "mostly grass fed" and that just isn't fucking true, hahahahaahah

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're alive, dummy

ad hominem

1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect an ad hominem argument 2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Ad hominen means trying to win the argument through the properties of the other person.

It's a common mistake. Some, uh, less capable people confuse "ad hominem" for "insult".

You're alive. Thus your soy allergy wasn't a death sentence, was it? Are you dead?

Hemp IS cannabis, dummy, and most beef are not "grass finished" but feed fed.

Not like you're trying to avoid having said something stupid about a thing you don't understand, is it..? ;>

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Okay did you just disagree with the definition of ad hominin? Anyway clearly you are trying to make this devolve into name calling. I guess because you don't have anything else, I don't know and honestly I don't really care.

I am going to block you because I can and you have nothing productive left to say.

Good luck buddy.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No, I didn't. You misconstrued the definition.

You think "ad hominem" means "insult", dumb-dumb.

Here's how it works: if I say "you're wrong because you're dumb", that's an ad hominem. If I say "you're wrong, here's extensive reasoning why, and also, on a sidenote, you're dumb as shit", that is not an ad hominem.

The definition is "(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining".

"Rather than the position they're maintaining.**

You're having a hard time with this part because you don't have a position to maintain. :)

Are you dead? Did having a soy allergy mean that you died? Was it a... death sentence? Am I speaking to the after-life?

Hemp IS cannabis, anyone thinking it's a different plant is rather brainwashed and illiterate. (It takes like 10 seconds to check that on Google.)

"I'm going to block you because you made me feel bad and I'm not man enough to admit when I say something stupid" yeah I'm not surprised :D