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I think it makes more sense in the books (if i remember correctly)
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The movie shortens the timeframe Paul and Jessica spend with the Fremen from multiple years down to months. Probably due to wanting to keep Paul's sister Alia as an unborn child, rather than having to cast a child actor to play this difficult role. And maybe to also keep the stroy a bit simpler, since the second part already has a lot going on.This also means that Paul's and Chani's first child Leto doesn't exist. Who in the book gets killed by an attack on the sietch (and Alia gets taken hostage by the emperor).
Imagine losing your child and then your husband goes on marrying the daugther of the person in a way responsible for your childs murder.
All good points that I wouldn't have an issue with as changes to the original if movie script followed through with that premise. To add to your argument - in Villeneuve's version Chani has no relationship with Jessica who's a concubine and could introduce her to space royals / feudalism. They also removed mentions of how brutal Fremen social norms are - there is no mention of wife of Jamis that Paul had to take in (as well as their child, and another child that Jamis got in the same way Paul did).
Even with all this setup it is made clear to the viewer that Paul is aware that Chani will have trouble understanding marrying Irulan. This could be resolved by having a talk beforehand. For some reason Paul decides to deliver these news to Chani in some smug power trip.
Yeah, i think in general the change in time frame throws off all kind of things and while keeping Alia as an unborn embryo works quite well, some other parts suffer. I also would have liked to see Jamis wife/children, since that could have given even more emotional impact than the more general mourning sequence we got. But i can also understand that this would have added yet another story line to an already full movie.
Interestingly enough i recently watched the old Dune movie as comparison and was suprised that out of the slightly above 2h run time they spend 1,5h to reach the point where Dune Part I ends.
Never looked into it but it looked like Lynch planned for a much longer film and had to cut production short, hence much more exposition up until that point.