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[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 286 points 6 months ago (125 children)

Yeah but deciding not to vote for Biden just feels like a good trendy way to express my sympathies with Palestineans... /s

[–] Kiryu@lemmy.world 197 points 6 months ago (53 children)

I hope this gets posted in all the leftist boards. People need to understand Biden is a continuation of the United States' wishy-washy policies on Palestinians whereas Trump is pedal to the floor full acceleration towards genocide. Biden has shown he can at least be pressured into taking minor steps in the right direction. Being able to claim moral purity at the expense of a genocided Palestine will ring pretty hollow.

[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 68 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Looking forward to what the Republicans cosplaying as leftists use instead of "genocide Joe" now that Donald is calling for a final solution.

[–] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It will most likely continue to get used completely unironically along with cheering on the bombs.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Pick one:

  • Geriatric Joe, the president too senile to make up his mind on which side to support.

  • Gray-area Joe, the weak president that refuses to take a stance on foreign affairs.

  • Bystander Biden, the president that did nothing to end the Israel-Palestine war.

And so forth. They'll always find some other stupid thing to blame him for.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago

I kinda like Bystander Biden tbh

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

It's an election year, they're just trying to get their favorite orange fash in office. Horseshoe theory is a bitch.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Along with what everyone else is saying, I think they could probably still try to make an attempt at taking like, a false moral position, along the lines of an accelerationism-style "oh, well, trump seeking to escalate the war would end it more quickly, thus, saving more lives in the long run" kind of thing. Obviously based on kind of false pretenses, but then, I think a lot of their political positions kind of assume war and resource extraction as an inevitability, and power as an ultimate moral good, on a deeper level, and the fascism and propaganda mind games they play are just kind of a stupid extension of that.

They will keep using it, because the issue and consistency are both not something actual GOP voters need or care about. Their votes are already assured.

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[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 55 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Plus the fact that Biden is definitively anti Ukrainian genocide, and Trump would not only pull US support of Ukraine, he would actively try to discourage NATO

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

I mean if we start talking about all the horrible things that will happen under a Trump presidency, we'll never stop.

Until the men with guns put black bags over our heads and shove us into vans in the middle of the night.

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The "ppl" pushing the narrative ur complaining about arent on Ukraines side, nor or they on the side of NATO. Theyre busy convincing everyone they can that literally all western news is propaganda and the only true news will come from state sources in russia, china, etc.

The goal when engaging that side should, for the sane, anyway, always be not to convert the person ur speaking to, bc even if they arent bots/shills, their bad faith arguments turn aggressive incredibly quickly. Instead, the goal should be to demonstrate to the onlookers the absurdness of the tankie's position, and who it benefits/who is responsible for fabricating the position in the first place.

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[–] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean, Biden absolutely is wishy washy.

But he also reversed Trump's policy of saying West Bank settlement is legal, and sanctioned violent Israeli settlers.

Obviously Gaza's really bad, but what's happened and happening in the West Bank is also arguably ethnic cleansing. Chasing Palestinians off their land. Trump's a fan.

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

But he also reversed Trump's policy of saying West Bank settlement is legal, and sanctioned violent Israeli settlers.

Israel announced this month that they are authorizing the creation of increased settlements in the West Bank.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israel-plans-build-3300-new-settlement-homes-response-107484561

If Biden used the power of the United States to stop this and to undo the existing illegal settlements then he would deserve credit. He will never choose to do this though. This is because Biden, and all mainstream Democrats and Republicans, are Zionists who believe Israel should not be forcibly prevented from expanding its current borders.

Trump is worse. But mainstream politicians are also horrific. It is equivalent to the choice between the gradualist death by a thousand cuts used by John Roberts vs the immediate exercise of power used by Samuel Alito. Either way, liberty and morality will be destroyed.

We need to demand better as American citizens. No one else can correct the United States but us

[–] beardown@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Biden is a continuation of the United States' wishy-washy policies on Palestinians whereas Trump is pedal to the floor full acceleration towards genocide.

If these are the only options that our system offers us, then why shouldn't we demand our system be replaced?

Democrats are inadequate, Republicans are worse. If this is the only choice available within the United States, then why do we citizens allow the United States to continue?

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago

United States’ wishy-washy policies on Palestinians

Wishy-washy policies is my favorite way to say "apartheid ethnostate"

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