I use telegram mostly because it have great features and its certainly better than any meta apps in privacy and private enough imo. It was easy to get my friends and family on telegram because they loved those features, signal is just... boring.

[–] preasket@lemy.lol 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wdym "boring", what do you want a messenger app to do? It does what it's there for and it does it well.

[–] clot27@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but we have to consider what other people wants too, and if they are getting alot of feature in a single app without any big compromise, they would prefer that and thats perfectly logical.

[–] preasket@lemy.lol 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

From my experience of getting other people on Signal, the main issue is that not everyone is already on it. People generally want to use only one app and it attracts them to the most popular one because they don't need to switch as much.

Secondary issues are:

No automatic phone transfer (no cloud backups, has to be done manually)
No large public channels

I might add another one, but it applies to WhatsApp too - it's crazy that there's still no easy way to move between iOS and Android...

[–] clot27@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

OTOH telegram gives you option to export your whatsapp chats there making migration a bit more convenient. For the last point, yeah it sucks a lot and fuck whoever is responsible for that...

[–] neutron@thelemmy.club 1 points 8 months ago

Sometimes boring is better, sticking to the fundamentals. I didn't like when signal tried to mix crypto into it.

[–] strahlemann@feddit.de -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

interestingly it's worse than whatsapp regarding privacy

[–] clot27@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

and how? dont send me a decade old audit on the protocol which telegram abandoned around the same time.

[–] strahlemann@feddit.de 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

chats are not e2e encrypted by default and group chats are never e2e encrypted. even whatsapp is e2ee for every chat.

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

They hated him, for he spoke the truth.

[–] guts@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Telegram is more akin to Discord with secret chats, I wouldn't trust ZuCKs Whatsapp.

[–] clot27@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

And how does being e2ee by default guarantee you are secure? whatsapp doesnt even encrypt metadata.

[–] strahlemann@feddit.de 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't like whatsapp either but my claim still holds. e2ee by default for all chats is arguably more privacy respecting than opt-in e2ee for 1-1 chats only. and what metadata exactly does telegram encrypt but whatsapp does not?

[–] clot27@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

e2ee by default only for your data to be used when you back it up. Atleast there have been no data breaches reported in telegram so far

[–] strahlemann@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

you can encrypt backups in whatsapp but we might agree on whatsapp and telegram being equally bad then

no data breaches reported in telegram so far

yes they hand it out voluntarily, search term: telegram german authorities

[–] clot27@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

only if you are terrorist or do some CP stuff. Besides there are ton of reasons why I should use telegram. Its a lot more featureful, its easy for people to move their and its secure enough for me because I am not a terrorist and I dont sell drugs, thanks.

[–] strahlemann@feddit.de 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

i have nothing to hide

okay buddy

[–] clot27@lemm.ee -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

nitpicking by avg signal fanboi.

[–] strahlemann@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

average telegram fanboi cope

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's fun watching people argue about things I don't care about. Like, y'all haven't already abandoned your sense of privacy to this world? Lol

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

These nerds will debate platforms way more than use them productively.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

It's fun though. I'm glad they keep an eye on this stuff because I don't and someone definitely should. But it really is just a hobby. It's fun how serious they take it. Super serious hobby lol. Love them to death though. Greatful too!

[–] Zacryon@feddit.de -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And yet no one was able to crack it.

[–] strahlemann@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

it's not about cracking anything it's about the telegram owners being able to read your messages???

[–] Zacryon@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You can use E2E???? !!!!!

[–] strahlemann@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago

not in group chats and most people don't care about it for 1-1 chats as well.