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Gay Republicans swoon over Donald Trump for hosting a gay wedding at Mar-a-Lago
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Being gay doesn't make you ... well, anything except gay. Perhaps a larger percentage of them are liberals though due to obviously selfish reasons.
Being gay and Republican makes you an idiot. Republicans fought tooth and nail to oppose gay marriage and used all sorts of awful dog whistles around the gay community - there's still a large contingent of Republicans that are fighting against gay marriage and, of course, they openly demonize another LGBT+ group every fucking day.
I know gay Republicans exist but it's fucking baffling.
Like the anti vaccine movement, many have forgotten the horrors of the past and feel like they can just discard the things that got us to where we are.
Just like how fascism is back. Generations die off, and (particularly if we don't educate), people forget.
Bad times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men, etc etc etc....
Yeah that's just bullshit platitudes
Nah. The generations that live through such trauma (such as the horrors of nazi Germany just as an example) and witness it first hand are the ones who work the hardest to make sure it doesn't happen again. But once you're a couple generations removed from it, that memory fades, and the ones in power stop caring as much about preventing it because they just never lived it. History always "repeats itself" for a reason.
Yeah, it seems pretty a bit off. Perhaps those people have lots of old money or something, enabling them to just completely ignore haters?
That'd be the Peter Thiel approach... you know, the famous scumbag gay man who famously lobbied against gay marriage.
Selfish reasons like wanting to be treated like human beings politically? Get married? Adopt kids? Get wedding cakes at bakeries without being shut out? Those kind of selfish reasons?
Oh, sorry. I didn't mean selfish in a negative way. Is there a better word?
Selfish had a negative connotation... But voting in your self interest is likely what you meant and shouldn't have any such connotation.
Magnanimous maybe?
Are they only liberal because of the issues that directly impact them?
I’m not gay.
I’m not buying wedding cakes.
I’m not adopting.
CIS WASPs already own politics.
Yet here I am, liberal.
It is possible to care about other people and their problems without those problems being yours as well.
Of course, but are they only liberal because of the issues that directly impact them?
If you don’t care for my personal anecdote, why did you ask again as if I could answer differently? Go ask them yourself.
Your anecdote isn't very relevant here since you aren't gay. All you're saying is that you can be liberal without being gay or having other issues directly affect you.
What they are asking is, if those issues do affect them, is that the reason they are liberal? An obvious answer is, if it matters to them more than other things then yes. I imagine personal identity and personal freedom matter very much for most people, but it may not be the highest on the list.
Unsurprisingly, things aren't black and white.
It's certainly weird to see people championing for things that will actively hurt them though. Like black people trying to join the KKK.
I'm trying to get you to see that the nature of the reasons are not what the selfishness was in reference to but rather their scope of caring. A hard right republican woman can think that she deserves to have an abortion herself but if she doesn't care if that extends to others then she is selfish. If the percentage that mellow was talking about are only liberal because the issues listed impact them then that does kinda seem selfish. It is not a commentary at all about the rightness or wrongness of those issues.
Trying to get me to see…?
Then you should she stated your case and avoided trying to be clever by asking the same question twice in some bizarre effort at a philosophical take, to what…make yourself appear smarter? To a question you’ve already answered for yourself? Ridiculous.
Or you could have answered the question I asked instead of offering an irrelevant personal anecdote.
Well, keep talking to yourself, bro. Your answers are the only ones you want to hear.
Keep dodging the point you know I've made. I'll want to hear your answer if you ever give an on topic honest one.
Ah yes, insulting me as if my answer were dishonest otherwise? Listen to yourself trying to manipulate this situation as if you were somehow in the right. I would have had a conversation with you and you bothered to reiterate your point in good faith, but here we are wasting bandwidth with you somehow having to insist on “winning”…whatever that is here. Have fun man. I’ve run out of bytes to give.
No, you wanted to be hostile from the start. And you still never actually answered the question. Dodging the point and the question is manipulation. Doing so repeatedly does seem dishonest.
No.
You didn’t like my answer and furthermore refused to engage in a discussion. That’s all there is to it. I stopped giving a flying f about what you wanted to know as soon as it was apparent you were in this discussion for yourself. You want to be right, not engage in a discussion about what is right. Fuck off at this point.
I have not refused to engage in discussion. You gave an anecdote about yourself instead of answering my question about the percentage that mellow was talking about. I acknowledged your anecdote and asked my unanswered question again. You are avoiding the question because you know answering it will show that your initial quip was off. Mellow wasn't saying that wanting those things was selfish. Don't cry about insults. Every negative turn in this conversation has been initiated by you.
You're a special kind of person, aren't you?
This far down, and you keep demanding that someone answers you about why "they" are liberals, behaving as if the universe owes you answers.
Sympathetic with your deluded but apparently honest ignorance, @RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world did their best by sharing an anecdote that demonstrates that, while possible that "they" are liberals because the issues directly impacting "them", that may not necessarily be the case.
Alas, it was then that we came to find that you just wanted to hear yourself talk while petulantly dismissing others' thoughts.
The story developed unexpectedly however, as this behaviour was accurately and immediately pointed out, and this led to a series of increasingly irate comments, likely caused by a mounting sense of frustration stemming from the inability to rebuff such accurate criticism. We're sure to see an escalation from the passive aggression initially being employed into more open and direct insults, as a welling sense of dread about being outwitted threatens to set in.
Stay tuned!
Are you special? Because you seem to have missed that the original "they" and the "they" offered in Apollo's anecdote were not the same or comparable. Apollo never engaged with sympathy. I asked a question that they didn't answer. I asked it again politely and they started getting rude. I am not demanding an answer I'm pointing out that they just never actually answered.
Ehehehehhehehhe!!! Thanks for the entertainment!
By now it's clear that it's your reading comprehension that is lacking, you aren't fully understanding the responses you're getting. Perhaps you're not a native speaker...
More of the childish insults that you were acting above and accusing me of poor reading comprehension after I pointed out your own issue with it.
You likely mean “reasons of self interest” instead of “selfish reasons,” since you don’t appear to mean the statement with negative connotations.
This is A-level trolling.