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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Generally, if you have a system where more powerful people are more influential, you invite yourself to corruption.

In Capitalism, this expresses itself in Capitalists buying politicians.

In Marxism-Leninism, this is expressed in the upper Soviets becoming more entrenched and corrupt.

The solution for Socialism is to make the upper rungs directly accountable to the masses. The solution for Capitalism is to abolish Capitalism.

[–] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The solution to corruption is to stop being human. There, I said it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nah, just make systems that are resistant to it and more accountable to the masses. Simple.

[–] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Like ancient Athens! It failed obviously.

Or like Ancient Rome! It failed, obviously.

Or like any modern democracy! It failed, obviously.

The problem is that “masses” are truly a reflection of their government and vice versa, more so in a democracy. You take for a given “the mass” takes good decisions but this, again, works only in the ideal world.

And if you think things are better than the past, think again: internet and social media spread so much crap and allowed people to talk too freely, so now you get Joe the Farmer believing he is some sort of genius cause he knows that there is big plot and the corps are covering it up; you get Dalila the economist believe she knows anything about software development; you get Dario the cheese eater believe he is a medievalist just because he read (and ate) “the cheese and the worms”. And all of this people wouldn’t give shit about the “so-called” experts, cause they studied it on eatashit.altervista.org so they must know better than the college-cuck

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The problem with democracy isn't democracy, but allowing people with entrenched power to control the flow of information in their favor, vs the masses. Democracy is a good system.

[–] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with you but how do you prevent misinformation, manipulation and polarisation?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

Remove power structures that are inherently unjustly hierarchical, and remove the profit motive in general.

People profit from misinformation and entrenched power, if they don't have that then democracy works better.