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[–] FreeFacts@sopuli.xyz 6 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Well at least here in Finland, where we also have conscription, you go to a normal prison and serve six months (or at least it used to be 6months, the same as the shortest conscription time).

That hasn't been the case for ages in Finland. These days you get 6 months of "house arrest" if you refuse conscription. Electronic tagging that is. You are allowed to leave your house to go to the grocery store, to work or to study etc at predetermined and agreed upon times.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Oh man. Totaalikieltäytyminen is so easy nowadays, god damn.

I served II/09 so it's been a while.

Thanks for the info. Guess the mad bastards managed it then, because I did hang around totari people as well, and that's where I actually learned this idea. Because he had counted prison capacity in Finland and it was something like 1-3% of every batch who would need to say "nope" and they just wouldn't fit into prison anymore.

I really would like to know the details of when this was on the board being discussed.

First good news I've heard today, ty man.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Totaalikieltäytyminen

total refusal. gnarly.

I get that conscription is bad; Finland doesn't (to my knowledge) have a history of feeding conscripts into wars. Do you mind discussing why you avoided it? just curious. I joined the mil to pay for edu, which is one of the primary intake paths for US soldiers. Always looked at it as a gamble but it mostly paid off for me, except hearing loss lol.

edit: derp, you served. doh - uh, the people you hung out with? what were their feelings I guess

[–] FreeFacts@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For me, I also served my full time in the Finnish army because I was a coward. Back then, in the year 2000, they still put you in actual prison. (Well, minimum security one where convicts are allowed to work and study outside the facility on weekdays, but still prison). But even bigger deterrent than that was the lie that future employer would not hire you if you did not go through military service. That was a complete lie, it is actually illegal for them to ask about your service, and I haven't included my military service record voluntarily either in my CV since the early 2000s and nobody has cared. And there is also a law which dictates that if you are sentenced as conscientious objector ("totaalikieltäytyminen"), that does not go to your criminal record, so that stays clean as well.

But why I was contemplating refusing military service, and civilian service too, was and is completely ideological. I do wish to protect and fight for the good things in this country (democracy, civil liberties, equality) against outside invader (which would obviously be Russia, and they have none of those things), but the fact that conscription is forced labour without pay just doesn't fit right with me. It's basically slavery, and that should be opposed, always, everywhere.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

forced labour without pay

whoa that's a new one for me. our conscripts still got paid when drafted, even if it was very little for the danger faced. No pay at all!?

appreciate the insights! thanks

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