Men's Liberation
This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.
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Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.
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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
Related Communities
!feminism@beehaw.org
!askmen@lemmy.world
!mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world
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You reduced "sliding to the right" to "becoming a racist, sexist, misogynist" and completely missed the point. Rather than dictating to our kids what they should believe, we should teach them principles that will allow them the best chance of choosing correctly for themselves.
Honestly, attitudes like yours are a huge contributor to the rightward shift of young men.
sure buddy. expressing my resentment towards a set of ideological principles that have directly harmed me and the people i love, and are continuing to pursue even greater harms towards me and my loved ones right now, that's the real problem, not the ideologies that are pushing for those harms!
i don't buy your marketplace of ideas bullshit. if you vote for or associate with modern right wing political movements? you are in action a racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, climate denialist, book burner, and christian nationalist, because the people you are putting in power are actively pursuing policy which is verifiably all of those things, and the people doing them are not shy about saying what they believe. it's not a debate, its not a matter of opinion.
i flirted with right wing politics when i was young, i think a lot of people do, but there's a reason why boys specifically are falling for the bullshit, and its because men are the beneficiaries of the systems of oppression that we've built up over the centuries, and oligarchs are pouring money into bolstering fascist movements that see democracy explicitly as a barrier to their supremacy. that just isn't an attractive political perspective for people who aren't already on the top of the hierarchy. its not because left wing people aren't more attentive to the precious little feelings of people who can't see beyond their own personal comfort, its because right wing ideologues can piggy back on hundreds of years of patriarchy to convince impressionable teen boys that they should strive to maintain their supremacy over all the people who aren't like they are.
You've become radicalized, friend: Your extremist rhetoric makes that clear. I hope you can find your way out.
"extremist rhetoric" eh? was it the mere recognition of systemic oppression that got you? or am i supposed to play nice with folks who are actively trying to make life worse for me? i'm expressing political perspectives that are informed by the modern realities of life for people like me. queer people are fleeing red states. right wing politicians are actively stripping away peoples' rights as we speak. there's nothing neutral about your position, there's nothing "moderate" about standing at the sidelines and turning away from the ongoing human cost of the politics you are right here making accommodations for.
your refusal to recognize the clear and present danger that right wing politics and policy poses to the lives of people worldwide is a kind of radicalism. there is proof, exhaustive bodies of academic literature indicating that so many common right wing positions do not align with observed reality. to presume "moderation" in your politics is to deny that evidence, and that is a deeply political act.
What is extreme about your talking points is the implicit assumption that a person taking any position right of center is a "racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, climate denialist, book burner, and christian nationalist". Spewing bigoted and divisive rhetoric like this alienates even centrists like myself. It's a hateful worldview that could easily lead to violence. I hope you find the help you need.
the assumption i'm making is if you're broadcasting "any position right of center", that you're voting for politicians right of center. and if you're doing that, then you're supporting people who are actively pursuing all the things i am describing, especially if you're in the united states. trying to attribute hate, bigotry, and violence to that assertion is wholly projection. you do not tolerate intolerance. no matter how much you fearmonger about how "violent" this rhetoric is, the stats are clear. it ain't lefties who are shooting up schools, storming the capitol, and showing up to queer community events with guns and nazi flags.