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I wish more people would understand that it is possible to believe both that Assange has not been treated fairly and that he's a colossal douchebag.
It’s the tribal nature of humans - they try to make everyone they like flawless and everyone they hate completely flawed.
It sure seems that way sometimes.
Assange is a colossal douchebag, rapist and Russian asset, who is terrified of faceing the consequences of his own actions. In November 2010, Sweden issued a European arrest warrant for Assange, for questioning in a Swedish investigation, He was suspected of rape of a lesser degree, unlawful coercion and multiple cases of sexual molestation. After losing his appeal against the warrant, he breached bail and took refuge in the Embassy of Ecuador in London.
You know Sweden has declined to prosecute Assange, right?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/19/sweden-drops-julian-assange-investigation
It's the U.S. that wants him, not Sweden.
That tends to happen when you hide in an embassy until the statue of limitations runs out. The US didn't want to extradite him until 2017 after WikiLeaks interfered with the 2016 election.
His election interference was part of why he lost his asylum "We did notice that he was interfering in the elections and we do not allow that because we have principles, very clear values, as we would not like anyone to interfere in our elections," he said. "We are not going to allow that to happen with a foreign country and friend like the US."
Where I can get my personal Assange?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/assange-embassy-exclusive-documents/index.html
https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download Page 44
How and who? Details please.
For one thing, not being allowed to leave for the country where he's sought and been granted asylum.
He had an arrest warrant in the country he was located. It's called law.
The country where he is located Ecuador. That's how embassies work. He is on Ecuadorian soil and should be allowed to leave for Ecuador.
That is not true, though it's a common misconception. Embassies are not extraterritorial. They are granted specific legal protections by treaty by the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations that prevents the host country's law enforcement from entering and arresting people, but the territory on which they are located does not belong to the guest country.
The ability to provide asylum in an embassy is based on this text:
https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf
The only case I can think of off-the-cuff where territory was explicitly made extraterritorial was during World War II. The Dutch royal family had fled abroad due to the Netherlands being occupied by the Nazis, and Princess Margriet was born there. I vaguely recall that there is some restriction in Dutch law that requires a member of the royal family to be born on native Dutch soil to remain in the line of royal succession or something like that.
The Canadian parliament passed a law to, for a brief period of time, render the maternity ward of the hospital in which Princess Margriet was to be born, Dutch territory.
googles
Actually, looks like I misremembered that. According to Wikipedia, even in that case, they didn't declare it to be Dutch territory, just to not be part of Canada:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Margriet_of_the_Netherlands
And stayed at the embassy until he couldn't any more and was arrested by the Brits. I still don't see what's unfair.
Again, the unfair part was not allowing him to leave for Ecuador. His Ecuadorian citizenship got revoked when the British arrested him, but he should not have been arrested because he was an asylum seeker granted Ecuadorian citizenship.
Would you also oppose Jews seeking asylum in foreign consulates in pre-WWII Germany and Italy being taken out of Germany and Italy? One of those people was Albert Einstein.
Or is Assange somehow a special case when it comes to seeking asylum.
This isn't even about Assange personally or whether or not he deserves to be prosecuted for what he did. This is about how the U.S. and Britain can get away with ignoring someone who has both been granted asylum and citizenship of a third country. And I don't care if you are guilty or innocent of your crimes, that is simply wrong.
That's not how it works. In order to leave the embassy he would have to set foot on Brit soil, and he had an arrest warrant. He was not granted asylum by Britain, only Ecuador. As I remember, they were the only country to say yes. They changed government, and there you go.
And in order to leave the American embassy, Einstein had to cross German soil. He was allowed to because he was granted asylum.
Sorry but untrue
Weird, because William H. Geist famously refused to give Einstein a visa and public outcry forced him to flip on that. And then he was taken to the U.S.
Do you think the plane took off from the embassy?
I think Einstein didn't have a warrant out for his arrest.
True. He was just Jewish. And yet the Germans let him leave anyway. You do know that they didn't let any Jew who wanted to leave without a visa, right?
Visas are for entering countries, not leaving them.
Oh?
https://www.holocaustcenterseattle.org/exit-visas-docent-training
Other than Einstein being just like Assange, but not. What you got? Oh, Nazi paperwork? OK. But, I think you have have diluted your argument sufficiently
You made a false claim. I showed you the claim was false. I'm not sure why you can't acknowledge that.
I'm still not sure why you think Assange was treated unfairly when the law was followed. So I guess we're even.
No, we're not even. I gave an opinion. You made an incorrect statement you tried to pass off as factual.
Any time you want to admit you were factually in error, go for it.
But I won't be holding my breath. This is the internet. Dishonesty rules.
That's pretty funny. You can't support your fantasy but blame me. Typical.
Any time you want to admit you said something false, feel free. I realize that saying "I was wrong" is the worst thing a person can possibly do... but maybe don't have that particular conservative mode of thinking and have some humility?
I gave an opinion. Was that opinion based on incorrect information? Possibly. So far you have not demonstrated that to be the case.
On the other hand, you stated something as a fact. You were shown to be factually incorrect. You refuse to admit it.
Apparently you, like many conservatives, even though you are supposedly not a conservative, think that ever admitting you were wrong shows that you are weak. It doesn't.
I am guessing next up will you be trying to gaslight by insisting that you didn't make a basic factual error.
I see...
Your opinion is not based on anything but a feeling.
There are ramifications for actions. Trump will find his. Assange will find his. You'll only cry for one of them.
Yes, again, I understand that you think admitting you were wrong is a form of weakness.
It still isn't.
And even if my opinion was based only on a feeling, you were still factually incorrect and you still won't just do the adult thing and admit it. My god, what do you think will happen if you just say, "I was wrong." Do you think the world will laugh at you and you'll have to live like a hermit in shame or something? Is it really that scary that you can't just say those three words?
Hang onto to your feeling of being right. Gawd knows you need to.
Why are you being such a coward about this?
Kind of pitiful to start calling names, don't you think?
No, I'd say what's pitiful is being too cowardly to say the words "I was wrong."
He's a Russian spy stooge. He's lucky he's not in a black site for life