To be held in esteem by Israel - at any point in its history - is a deep stain on any reputation to put it mildly. Anyone with humanity is an enemy to fascists and ethnostates.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hey mate, too much hyperbole rots your brain.

Please be better informed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righteous_Among_the_Nations?wprov=sfla1

[–] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And there it is - the holocaust, an all-purpose shield and sword.

I stand by my statement and I doubt anyone honored via that program would endorse Israel today.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Look mate I agree that Israel is probably committing genocide against the Palestinians. But that doesn't mean that everyone that Israel has ever liked is tainted, that's idiotic.

[–] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The Nazis tainted everything they touched, I don't see why this should be any different. And yes, the comparison is apt.

Very few things in life are black and white - this is.

You either support genocide or you don't. You either support an increasingly fascistic apartheid ethnostate or you don't. Lines are notoriously difficult to draw but they're extremely clear cut here.

Israel and the Zionist project gains legitimacy by proximity to genuinely honorable people like the ones you brought up - it's rhetorical propaganda.

I appreciate I'm taking a strong stance in my wording here but for gods sake, man - look at the whole thing. A dying empire is dusting off old world colonialism, complete with unabashed ethnic cleansing and the entire Western world is to-the-hilt complicit. History and systemic decline is being written. I don't consider my language an overreaction - at all.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

I don't think Jesse Owens was tainted just because Hitler congratulated him.

I don't think people that resisted the Nazis are tainted just because Israel thanks them.

That's why I disagreed with your initial comment.

Just as we shouldn't consider Jesse Owens to be tainted by Hitler's endorsement, we shouldn't consider anti-Nazi movements to be tainted by Israel's endorsement.

That's all we seem to disagree on.

Yes, we should be skeptical of Israel positioning WW2 heroes as champions of Israel's interpretation of Zionism.

Also for clarification: I'm opposed to Israel's apparent genocide of the Palestinians. I think Israel's crimes are more similar to the Americo-Canadian genocide of North America's first nations than with the Nazi genocide of European Jews and other marginalized minorities. Ie Israel isn't doing "murder factory" genocide, it's doing "encroachment and suppression" genocide (and starvation, and persecution). Also similar to what Russia is doing to Ukraine.