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Biden vs. Trump: Do young climate voters care? The president who signed the biggest climate law in U.S. history has also angered environmentalists by approving fossil fuel projects. (www.politico.com)
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To be clear: there's a night-and-day difference between Biden and Trump, with the former having actually taking significant action, and being likely to take more if reelected. Trump will look to maximize both extraction and consumption of fossil fuels in a way that Biden simply didn't and won't.

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[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

At the end of the day, both candidates are content to make policy which does not stop the world from boiling. It is counterproductive to pretend otherwise.

Ah, another "they're both the same" argument that ignores reality. Trump is no friend to the environment and is actively seeking to destroy it for profit. "Drill, baby, drill" is something he shouts all the time. At least Biden has done something and acknowledges climate change.

Get out of here with your bad propaganda.

[–] hglman@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

They are not the same, they are both wholly inadequate positions.

If we are on a sinking ship and one person says, ill kill everyone and take the lifeboat for myself and someone else says, no lest kill 95% of everyone so that those who live wont be cramped neither is good enough. Sometimes choices should be made as a spectrum, sometimes choices should be made as a binary choice.

If you can't see how dangerous both parties actions are on climate change you do not understand the danger. If you do understand then you are writing in malice.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would say a better analogy is if you are on a boat in the middle of the ocean that springs a leak. One guy suggests you start bailing water using your cupped hands, which will buy you a few extra minutes before you sink. The other guy suggests you jump into the water because swimming is fun. Neither guy thinks it would be a good idea to patch the hole, even though you have a patch kit with you.

[–] hglman@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That captures the insanity of the political positions very well.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Not insane. Age-related cognitive issues notwithstanding, both candidates know what they're doing. It's impossible to make someone understand something when their livelihood depends on their not understanding it. In this analogy, both guys are paid by the sharks who made the hole in the first place to pretend the patch kit doesn't exist.

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 2 points 8 months ago

the us has never made more oil than under biden

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca -5 points 8 months ago

Why are you bringing up Trump when my comment is about Biden not taking "significant action"? Trump is irrelevant to my comment.