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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I understand that it's supposed to be a shitty comic and not a balanced, reasonable take, but if you'd like to hear a German perspective anyways:

I'm not aware of any official representative lobbying other countries to end nuclear, except of course in nations that build their totally safe reactors near our border. I'm also not aware of us being awarded or recognized for our stance. Individual Germans, like me, will of course have been fed different propaganda than you and will argue accordingly.

No one here likes the coal generators. And with how much cheaper solar is these days, they're definitely on the way out. But we don't have a dictatorship anymore, luckily, so even obviously good paths will face pushback, like from entire regions whose jobs are in the coal industry.
We've just been able to get a consensus on abolishing nuclear much more quickly for multiple reasons:

  • Chernobyl directly affected us, including the people running our country. Russia also attacked nuclear reactors in the Ukraine, which certainly reminded people of Chernobyl.
  • At the start of the Ukraine war, it was unclear whether Russia might also launch attacks on us, including our nuclear reactors.
  • Russia also cut off our natural gas supply. We have practically no own Uranium deposits either, so reducing dependence on foreign nations was definitely in our interest, too.
[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The lobbyist groups involved are very PRO-nuclear, hence why there's so many nuclear posts on literally every single social media platform.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

At the start of the Ukraine war, it was unclear whether Russia might also launch attacks on us, including our nuclear reactors.

Russia hasn't attacked any nuclear reactors in Ukraine for obvious reasons. The notions that Russia would attack nuclear reactors in Germany is pure absurdity that no sane person could believe.

Russia also cut off our natural gas supply. We have practically no own Uranium deposits either, so reducing dependence on foreign nations was definitely in our interest, too.

That's a straight up lie. Russia never cut off gas supply to Germany, and in fact has repeatedly stated that one of Nord Stream pipelines is operational. German government is choosing to buy Russian LNG through third parties instead of buying pipeline gas directly.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well, I don't know what to tell you. These things have been broadly reported here in Germany. Whom of us was mislead, doesn't matter for explaining why us Germans have a different stance on things.

Here's two random articles, but I can send a whole list of links, if your search engine isn't turning up anything:

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago

Ah yes, "Ukrainian officials say", very credible source. Weird how IEA never found any evidence of Russia shelling ZNPP though. And yeah, once you stop paying for a product the delivery stops. That's how business works.

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
  • Russia stopped delivering gas to 5 european countries in May 2022 because those countries refused to pay in rubels.

  • Then they announced in June 2022 that they would only deliver half of the agreed-upon volumes to Germany, Austria, Slovakia, Czechia and Italy.

  • In September 2022 Russia stopped gas transfers via Nord Stream 1 completely, "because of technical difficulties".

Those are facts. Russia stopped these gas transfers. No one else.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Russia stopped transfers because Europe refused to pay in a currency Russia could use. Funny how you forgot to mention that the west froze Russian foreign assets there.

Now, Europe is still buying Russian gas, but via resellers while lying to the public.

Those are the actual facts.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What does Chernobyl have to do with Germany deciding to appease a few billionaires and burn more coal?

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago

I'm not aware of those billionaires caring whether they get paid to burn coal or paid to build solar farms.