I guess I can't argue that they're shitty people, cuz like, they are. That kinda dodges my point about ideology, though! They're normal people and that's what's scary about fascism - they grew up learning to hate Palestinians and dehumanize them, and now they're acting on what they learned.

They need deprogramming. Preferably in prison.

[–] llamapocalypse@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I guess part of my stance is that my definition of a "shitty person" includes those who would rather outsource their thinking to someone else, whether that's a political, religious, or some other figure. Although a lot of that does get down to good education (whether formal or not), which not everybody has access to. Even with my relatively privileged upbringing I've had to unlearn a lot of crap over the years, and not everybody has that luxury.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

Ideology is actually an internalized process. They think for themselves, they aren't just mindless fascist zombies, but their ideology makes their thinking take this shape. It would certainly require a lot of unlearning!

Also, their ideology acts as a shield against the trauma of their own actions. Someone who snipes children needs that ideology to survive, because without it they'd likely kill themselves (or frag a superior officer, like sometimes happens when soldiers empathize with civilian victims)