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The Fairphone 5 is less about what comes in the box and more about what you get over the years (www.theverge.com)

submitted 9 months ago by TheLugal@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Fairphone’s latest repairable device is for people who hate saying goodbye to an old smartphone more than they like buying a new one.

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[–] Mannimarco@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Fuck them for removing the headphone jack, it makes no sense at all

[–] sudneo@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

They have literally an explanation for this on their website. You might disagree, but saying "it makes no sense"...makes no sense.

Also, they discontinued the earbuds and still no jack on FP5, so the idea that "they wanted to sell their own buds" doesn't seem to be likely.

[–] Mannimarco@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (3 children)

It makes no sense to me, their whole deal is sustainability, by removing the headphone jack it forces me to buy Bluetooth headphones that all have batteries in them and are presumably not up to Fairphone standards of sustainability.

And saying we're just following market trends sounds like a shitty explanation to me. I have the 3, I'll use it for as long as it works but after that no Fairphone for me.

[–] sudneo@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Our starting point for design is longevity, which means making our devices more repairable, a very different approach to the electronics industry standard. To support maximum longevity and because of the IP rating, Fairphone 4 does not feature a headphone jack. In the end, it comes down to how we make a product that lasts for at least five years. We needed to eliminate as many vulnerabilities as possible, and the headphone jack is subject to dust and water ingress over time.

Again, you might disagree, you might know better, I don't know. But this is their motivation when it comes to longevity and hence sustainability. To me, it seems a reasonable idea: if the jack helps reducing the consumption of batteries in headphones but decreases the lifespan of the phones, it seems a bad tradeoff.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 2 points 9 months ago

Even after switching to a wireless headset (because the previous ones all broke at the wire), I would rather not use a device with no headphone jack. My headset has a very long battery life and can apparently have its battery changed fairly easily (big enough to be held together by screws). But neither of this can be said about earbuds, so my earbuds are staying wired.

[+] HKayn@dormi.zone -8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

USB-C earbuds exist. No one is "forcing" you to do anything.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 25 points 9 months ago

Which is still having to buy a second set of earbuds/headphones when there's no need for it. Or buy a separate dongle (a major pain in the ass over time).

This is not "sustainability" friendly design.

[–] Mannimarco@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

Headphone jacks also exist, so I won't be buying this phone.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Having tried to use USB-C earbuds... the experience is lacking. Once they are plugged in there is a 2-5s lag for when the headphones start working. 30% of the time they don't work, having to unplug and plug them in to try again. Some apps won't use them at all if the headphones are not plugged in before you start a call (google voice).

Even if you got them working, they stick out of the bottom of the phone, so propping up the phone on a desk for a video call is now super awkward.

It's a poor echo of the experience of physically wired RTTP headphones.

[–] axo@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago

Never had those problems. Worked for me better than the AUX port actually, since no metal spring got damaged over time like in most of my previous phones.

The dongle works just like AUX earphones worked

[–] TwoCubed@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago

can't charge the phone when the USB port is in use
can't use the aux input of any external devices
can't use the headphones with anything else
shitty experience as someone else here mentioned
...

I like my Pixel 7 Pro but its also my first phone without a headphone jack and I hate it. Bluetooth is such a shitty standard and the USB dongles suck ass too. Why the fuck did they have to get rid of something so simple and practical...

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 12 points 9 months ago

I'm surprised they discontinued their buds. Thank you for pointing that out.

They're still selling a 250 Euro Bluetooth headset with the phone as a option

https://shop.fairphone.com/fairbuds-xl

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 18 points 9 months ago

It makes perfect sense. They wanted to sell their own branded ear buds.

[–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

i carry an emergemcy audio adpater ony keychain now, thanks fairphone.

also, two of the 4 audio adapters i have are starting to break down, forcing me to buy new ones. real sustainable you guys

and yes, the one fairphone sells is one of the broken ones.

[–] romp_2_door@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

punish them by not buying their phone

I see so many be "angry" at them and yet they still buy the phone

[–] Mannimarco@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I'm not buying it, I have a Fairphone 3 and I'll use it for as long as it works

[–] BoBTFish@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I have the 4 and haven't missed it once 🤷

[–] Mannimarco@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

That seems to be most people, but for me it's a deal breaker.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Good for you.