I'm honestly not sure what you're arguing for. All politicians lie constantly. I'm sure the ones you named also lie frequently. It's all just mind games to confuse people during a war.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

this does not answer the question.
do all politicians lie? is this like a universal truth of the universe? do they have to lie?

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For 2., to be successful mostly so, unfortunately.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Agian, is this a universal truth or just in the US system or Liberal democratic system, is it not possible (and I am not saying the Russian Federation is this system I am now asking in hypotheticals) where that would not be the case

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

What do you even mean by universal truth? In math this makes sense, but not here. You cannot say anything meaningful in this context using such a qualifier. The closest you get to universal truth is that people have some property, unfortunately, so that saying certain things makes you popular because it is what people want to hear, regardless of truth value.

[–] abbenm@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Agian I ask of Trudeau made the same claim, or the Prime Minister of New Zeeland, would you be making the same argument

Wouldn't that depend on their particular geopolitical interests, which could be entirely different from those of Russia?

I feel like these questions are so absurd sometimes not because an answer is being sought but because it succeeds at the goal of degrading the quality of conversation.

[–] CooperRedArmyDog@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago

I am not trying to degrade the conversation, but I know how they usualy go. What I am saying is I feel that there is a fundimental lack of understanding of the geoplolitical interists of russia, and not only that, it would be the simpliler solution to assume that Putin is speaking honestly when he says he would prefer to work with Biden, even if that reasoning is as simple as he thinks biden has a better chance of winning and saying this now will make deplomacy easier in the future. I think it is a bit bold to just jump to the conclusion that because Putin has said X he really means Y, and it feels much more like the world view you subscribe to requries putin and the Russian Federation to want Y so no matter what is being said you will make it so it really means he belives Y.