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So I just discovered that I have been working next to the waste of oxygen that raped my best friend several years ago. I work in a manufacturing environment and I know that you can't fire someone just for being a sex offender unless it directly interferes with work duties (in the US). But despite it being a primarily male workforce he does work with several women who have no idea what he is. He literally followed a woman home, broke into her house, and raped her. Him working here puts every female employee at risk. How is that not an unsafe working environment? How is it at even legal to employ him anywhere where he will have contact with women?

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 88 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (48 children)

How are you expecting him to feed himself if he can't work anywhere? There's no such thing as a men's only work place.

I agree that rape should be charged with the same severity as taking a life. But we also need to let ex felons leave that in the past if they can. There's a lot of abuse and oppression that results from permanent shunning. We made the choices in our justice system that we made because of history. Let's not repeat the mistakes of history.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I respectfully disagree. Murder is not at the same level as rape. Rape is awful and despicable, but at least you're alive to recover from it.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

That's the thing, many people never recover from rape.

[–] L1to@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think more people don't recover from death compared to rape

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm not arguing that lol. But many people would literally rather be killed than raped and it's frequently cited as one of the things, "worse than death".

It should absolutely be punished similarly.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That sounds like a great way to make all rapists murderers.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No. There's a psychological barrier to killing, even in the mind of a criminal. That's why most murders are actually people who knew each other and had enough emotion to overcome that barrier or people who were scared/abused enough that the barrier was no longer there. (It goes away as a defense mechanism)

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[–] aidan@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago
  1. Many is not anywhere near all.

  2. That is an option for the victim in a rape still, there is no option for the victim in a murder.

[–] beefcat@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

But it is possible to recover, and many do. There is no recovery from being murdered. Personally, I'm glad I'm still alive even if I'm still dealing with my own SA-induced trauma 20 years later.

Murder also has further externalities. When you kill someone, you take them away from their friends and families, who now have to live forever without that person in their lives.

But this whole conversation feels a lot like we're asking "who was worse, Hitler or Genghis Khan?", and it's weird to put either side on the defensive even if there is an objectively true answer to be found.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago

Yes, but statistically speaking the amount of people who recover from murder (being around 0 to 1, depending on if the Resurrection of Christ is a factual event or mere myth) is a tad lower than people who recover from rape induced trauma...

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 8 points 9 months ago

There is no reason why rape is judged much less severely than torture though.

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