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Showerthoughts

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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The best ones are thoughts that many people can relate to and they find something funny or interesting in regular stuff.

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But, why? Even if free will is proven, what value does punishment serve? And if all things are predetermined, then punishment itself is justified by predeterminism.

[–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Literally anything that happens is "justified" or perhaps "explained" by predeterminism, but just because a system exists and is internally consistent and follows all of its rules doesn't mean a better system can't exist.

If everything and anything can be "justified" that "justice" isn't useful to consider, and we should think about something like "utility" or "happiness" instead.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I agree. I just don't think the answer to the question of free will alters (or should alter) our behaviors.

Although, internally it can help, as famously described by Einstein - there's a helpful translation lower in the page, but it's interesting to hear his voice whether or not you understand German. As a way of internalizing how people treat you, it's sweet. I don't buy it (the philosophy) for a second, but still.

[–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

I just don't think the answer to the question of free will alters (or should alter) our behaviors.

I tend to agree, but the kind of people who believe it is just and good to punish others (as opposed to rehabilitate or something) tend to disagree with us.